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Word of advice to MNHQ #2

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BackieJerkhart · 25/08/2017 18:29

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BeyondLimitsAndWhatever · 26/08/2017 15:12

Attracting people is probably more profitable than attacking them, Pacific... Wink
Damn that air con!!

PacificDogwod · 26/08/2017 15:07

I remember CAT - I never actually paid for it, I just did not talk to people off the boards Grin[thrifty]

Justine has done well for herself, and good luck to her.
The 'product' that MN 'produces' is lots of people looking at the advertisement, so of course Justine/MNHQ have an interest to attack as many people as possible to the site.
This has gone waaaaaaay beyond a bit of nice, touchy-feely 'lets all support each other and have larfs along the way' kind of site.

I agree that many posters will likely drift away, but new ones will also come.
Which is what matters for a the bottom line.
Whether we, as individuals, like it or not is totally irrelevant.

'Tis capitalism, innit? Grin

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 26/08/2017 14:45

I do post on here for justines benefit

I think i brighten her day

(JOKE!......before christina says anything)

birdsdestiny · 26/08/2017 13:45

I don't post on MN for justines benefit. I post on it for mine.

JennyHolzersGhost · 26/08/2017 13:42

Justine has made it perfectly clear that she doesn't give a fuck what we think so there's not much point discussing it further, really.
It's up to us to decide how that influences the amount of effort and time we each want to put into this site, as a consequence.

ibbleobbleblackbubble · 26/08/2017 13:11

There is also the model of the type of dating sites where men have to pay and women use the site for free
The women are the product and they are being sold to the men
Furthermore the women are mostly fictitious ....on casual sex sites there are usually 10 men for every one female member
What a money spinner

Valuedopinion · 26/08/2017 13:08

I paid up, I was half hoping it might entitle me to some later profits down the line, but I have never even been so much as selected for a testing panel Sad

ibbleobbleblackbubble · 26/08/2017 13:07

Remember Friends Reunited ?
used to have to pay to use that
I rest my case

Pagwatch · 26/08/2017 13:05

Ah - CAT me you cunt

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 26/08/2017 13:04

SURELY not? Confused

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 26/08/2017 13:04

Oh right, that was before my time.

I think I've been here 8 years. FfsShockGrin

BeyondLimitsAndWhatever · 26/08/2017 13:03

Contact another t... (mind blank)

PM-ing :)

Valuedopinion · 26/08/2017 13:02

Contact A Talker

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 26/08/2017 13:02

STDG "we are close to the tipping point where the kind, thoughtful, supportive, funny posts will no longer be the majority. If this happens, the decent posters will drift away in ever greater numbers, which will in turn accelerate the decline of the quality of the postings - it's a vicious cycle"

This with bells on!

And it is where Pags earlier idea comes into play. Leave AIBU for "robust discussion" allowing the other board to be free of goading, trolling, sensationalist stuff.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 26/08/2017 13:01

CAT?

Valuedopinion · 26/08/2017 12:58

We used to pay a fiver to CAT though didn't we, when it was first starting out.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 26/08/2017 12:55

Charging for a forum doesn't work. Bad Mother's Club is proof of that.

UrsulaPandress · 26/08/2017 12:48

I do agree SDTG

I used to feel that I learned so much from MN. That my horizons were truly broadened.

But no more.

ibbleobbleblackbubble · 26/08/2017 12:45

it means that the site has stayed free for its users and hasn't had to charge
The forum charging it's users?
that would mean certain death for the forum
it's totally unviable
Come on stop being grateful for the fact that you don't have to pay to use Mumsnet
you work for Mumsnet for free
the value of Mumsnet comes from the writing all the people who post on here and the community created and sustained by all the people who post

BeyondLimitsAndWhatever · 26/08/2017 12:45

On the subject of tipping points, Justine commented on the advertisers story that until the majority of members want to get rid of swearing, it stays. But with the increased membership from outside the initial demographic (and I say this as someone who has never been in the majority demographic, even if I am bloody clever Wink ) and the increased posts with swearing asterisked out, I wonder how far away that tipping point is?

And then similarly, how far away is the tipping point on nestle? Or other banned advertising (gambling is one, I think, for eg)? Or is that a core USP that will remain unaltered?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 26/08/2017 12:37

I have never been a big fan of the "MN has changed, I remember when it were all fields round here....." posts - I always felt that change and evolution were inevitable, and that, on the whole, the changes were positive, and that MN had stayed the same at heart.

But I'm not sure I feel that way any longer. I think the site has become much more of a commodity - basically all the advertising feels to me as if we, the members, are being sold, en masse, as an audience for the advertisers. In and of itself, this isn't a bad thing - it means that the site has stayed free for its users and hasn't had to charge. But I do feel as if it was the first real sign of MNHQ caring less about what the members felt, and more about the advertisers - I remember people complaining about the advertising banners, and the intrusiveness of them, but they have been left to stand, and have impacted on the experience of the site, in my opinion.

MN is its members. The only reason that MNHQ can raise advertising revenue is because the members of this site have a reputation as intelligent and influential (even if only because there are so many of us). If the quality of the site deteriorates, the advertisers will drift away.

In the past, MN has been full of intelligent, well read, witty, clever, caring, supportive, funny people. Yes, there were trolls and arseholes too, and some nastiness and bitching - but on balance, the decent side of MN won out over the idiots and nastiness. My fear is that we have lost, or are losing, enough of the good posters that the balance has shifted - we are close to the tipping point where the kind, thoughtful, supportive, funny posts will no longer be the majority. If this happens, the decent posters will drift away in ever greater numbers, which will in turn accelerate the decline of the quality of the postings - it's a vicious cycle.

I still read and post on MN, but nowhere near as much as I used to - recent changes in the layout of Last Hour and Last Week have meant that I can't see anywhere near the number of threads I used to, so I know I'm missing out on seeing threads I might otherwise have read and posted on, and it seems pointless to come here if I am not going to see what's happened here.

I value MN - it has meant a lot to me over the years - I have made friends here, learned things, given and received a lot of support, and had many, many laughs, but it feels as if that's finished now.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 26/08/2017 12:35

The big difference between Reddit & here is that there's none of the ubiquitous passive/aggressiveness over there.

Some posters on MN have perfected the tightrope of staying just within talk guidelines here and can be proper goady fuckers & poke & prod at another poster until the other poster finally snaps.

I would rather just be open and say 'fuck off' to said goady fuckers (hence why I got suspended).

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 26/08/2017 12:32

Beyond me too Grin

BeyondLimitsAndWhatever · 26/08/2017 12:31

I do AS quite a lot, but I have a particularly shit memory!

Valuedopinion · 26/08/2017 12:12

I AS quite a bit lately. It takes two seconds.

It doesn't make me anymore overinvested than any other poster who spends two seconds of their time here.

I decide based on their posts whether I can be bothered to engage or not.

There is a lot of over investment in reading Reddit threads and telling people here that they don't care.