Word of advice to MNHQ #2

The Milton thing isn't even calling MNHQ staff cockroaches!
This smacks of leaving the original thread up to see who commented from Reddit and pick them off if they are identifiable.

AND...

Surely either both comparing posters to shoplifters and the cockroach picture are okay (and stratters twitter picture is therefore jarring but not bannable), or neither are okay? Similar concepts...?

'Not that I believe she is a troll.'
Didn't they just mean they got as many complaints about her as a troll, not that she was an actual troll?

Has the first thread been deleted then?

Beyond they don't mean she's a troll. They mean that she was pesky and wouldn't just shut up about it all like a good little userbot.

Need to catch up, but tiny post here first...

If stratters is indeed a troll and you have six million reports on her profile to show you this, then it rather demonstrates how well the banning process (or not) works for trolls, doesn't it?

Not that I believe she is a troll.

Just send AIBU over to Reddit.

Seems hugely hypocritical to not allow a TAAT on here, but then actively seek out posts on an entirely different web site and use it to influence your decisions in regards to users on this one.

If we are using criminal analogies, as per Justine and her shoplifters, wouldn't that be akin to allowing a defendants previous criminal convictions to be used in a current trial?

I don't understand the ban and not tell them why policy. Or rather I do, but think it's pretty shitty. When they reregister to ask why they were banned/why their emails are unanswered, they can then be banned again with the justification of PBP. Whenever this decision is subsequently questioned, the answer will be 'PBP !' with no reference to why they were banned in the first place.

'Ignore and hope it goes away' is an odd strategy for running a business.

Blimey, Just caught up with the last thread.

Not sure what to say just now, glad changes are imminent but sad @stratters got the boot. I really think one of the benefits of mn in years gone was the ability to recognise posters. Not just if they're nice or funny or prolific but knowing the name and recognising they're not a troll because they've been on loads of threads and been around a while. And I say that knowing I'm a serial name changer. But that was due to protecting my privacy, I've spent a shit load of time here over the years, mn has been a godsend to me for various reasons. I hope that doesn't change. Dealing with rl shite would be worse. But I do feel very sorry for those that aren't welcome here anymore that should be here. And sad that there are so many trolls that are so unwelcome, that are here, often unchecked recently, all the time.

Salmotrutta

I used to lobby for it to be renamed AIBAC. Sadly it was never considered.

AIBAC- Am I Being A Cunt?

Fight Club would be a suitable alternative though

I was always under the impression that it was extremely bad form to bring arguments across forums? Has that changed?

Yes that what I don't understand ok to tear shreds of sparkle or glitter in my pants lady & other one so why is it a different rule for likes of Reddit to do same, obviously my username has been taken to literally.

If Stratters had such a long history of trolling, why was she allowed back onto the site after a suspension? It makes no sense to me.

@JustineMumsnet
You said:
"We would love to hear any thoughts on how we might move on (although obviously some banned posters may not be able to contribute directly - but please feel do free to drop me a line via [email protected])"

"But I agree, as said, the vitriol felt by some is far from ideal and we'd love to mend some fences if at all possible"

Do you mean what you say? Because You don't answer any messages I send and you banned me when I tried to communicate via the last thread.
One of the issues people are having with Mumsnet right now is the lack of communication. Please communicate.

The Reddit threads are brutal. Not just "average posters using it as a safe space"

They could just re-name AIBU as Fight Club actually Pagwatch.

You're onto something there.

Yes, Justine never did address the whole David shitstorm, did she. Wasn't that promised by MNHQ, or am I misremembering?

It's the same as Mouldies. They say they were just sad, but I well remember some foot stamping posts about all that.

This is what AIBU reminds me of these days.

AIBU IS MN though isn't it? It's what it's known for, it's hook.

Agree that "Penis Beaker" was a massive turning point for the site.

It's so petty of them to be scouring Reddit and getting all butt hurt about what's on there, and then bringing it back here!

If they'd listened or given a shit in the first place, Reddit-Gate wouldn't have happened!

It's breathtakingly unprofessional, really.