Word of advice to MNHQ #2

Wrt MH issues: none of us here know anything about anybody (profound statement of the say - you are very welcome).
IMO and IME serious MH illness is really quite recognisable, more low level Mental 'Unwellbeing' is much harder to spot.
People with MH difficulties also watch TV, read magazines, speak to their neighbours, interact in all sorts of ways with the world around them and are all around us (or ARE us).
Trolls are at best harmless fun-seakers and at worst nasty bastards, whereas most posters are not looking to upset anybody it is easy to write a title or an OP that is 'triggering' for various people for various reasons. Nasty trolls are not 'mentally ill', they may be simply thoughtless or enjoy hurting people which is likely due to a personality disorder and not illness. They know fine well what they are doing - pricks!!

I don't think it is possible to interact with the world and not potentially get hurt, particularly when vulnerable.
I do not see it as the responsibility of a forum to be any more protective or nurturing than any other gathering of people. So, just as it is not acceptable to throw a punch in the pub or start shouting abuse at somebody in RL, it is not acceptable here.
I think it is our responsibility as users of this forum to bee-hive, but equally I get very impatient when one cannot mention 'loofahs' (WTAF?!) without a trigger warning and I am saying that as somebody who lives with somebody with an 8 legged beastie phobia and experience of other phobias.

I think I'm on three reports, gonna stop now though as I don't want to report "excessively" and get a ban for it.

There is a limit to what MNHQ can 'see'.
I'm still not posting on it on the grounds of 'if you cannot say anything nice'....

Sorry Maryz - I shared the link before Iona reassured us all...

I tried to post on that thread, but then could just not be arsed was too overcome by emotion and sadness for the OP

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/a3019178-Ill-never-be-able-to-afford-to-have-a-baby-Heartbroken-Title-edited-by-MNHQ?msgid=71528954#71528954

@BunnyNeeded. I want to apologise for my comment.
I am not usually so rude.

Rhubarb ??? Psychologists can recognise personality traits - there are academics specialisting in internet security and personality.

What load of shit.
How do you think mn can identify which posters are trolls posting for kicks or because they have mental health issues?
Get a fucking grip I think you misread what I posted. I said that the sort of person trolling about something like a child's bereavement will likely have some sort of issues going on - these issues fall under the broader heading of 'mental health issues'. I did not say that all trolls have mental health issues or that all those with mental health issues would be/could be/would want to be trolls.

I would like to respond to your 'get a fucking 'grip' comment with a rude comment about your ability to read and infer. Time for a Mumsnet break - this place aint what it used to be. How can so many people fail to understand a simple statement? This car is green and has red wheels does not mean all green cars have red wheels ffs?

They are people with mental health problems. That's why MN need to spend some of that hefty profit on asking experts to help them identify posters what are either trolls, or are unstable and are not going to benefit from posting here because it is not a replacement for proper psychological intervention

I think the experts would need Jo-90's glasses to be able to identify posters through their screens.

I have been here a long time and don't usually post nasty or aggressive posts, but ffs, I am so sick of seeing ridiculous posts.

How do think mn can differentiate from one post?

They are people with mental health problems. That's why MN need to spend some of that hefty profit on asking experts to help them identify posters what are either trolls, or are unstable and are not going to benefit from posting here because it is not a replacement for proper psychological intervention.

What load of shit.
How do you think mn can identify which posters are trolls posting for kicks or because they have mental health issues?
Get a fucking grip

I know people who think trolling mn is funny. haha, lets wind up the mc mummies etc. I assume (and hope) they are only in the "lighthearted" end of the spectrum though.

Shame there isn't a way of reporting them, but I have no idea who they are on here.

I know, it is tricky. I would say though that the average person, when bored, doesn't trolls Mumsnet with bereavement threads.

In Justine's defense (not that she gives a figgy pudding what I think) - I suspect she started the board with sweet cuddly babies and is now juggling teenagers as am I . I have got so much from this site and would like to thank her/MNHQ for that, but I'm disappointed how MM handled DK.

My point was that I think MNHQ could buy in more expert advice than I suspect they do - in order to identify trolls and protect the innocent

Or they could listen a bit more to posters who report them? They don't need experts.

Bunny, I think like a large amount of things you have trolls which are cunts, trolls which are mentally ill and trolls who are just bored its difficult to tell them apart on an anon forum, however if you take the attitude that all of them are bad, that actually the fun ones at anytime could up their trolling because they don't feel like they are getting enough attention. Because you don't know which are cunt's, which are mentally ill and which are just bored

sobey I was using it in its broadest sense. The definition I just googled:. Mental health includes our emotional, psychological, and social well-being. It affects how we think, feel, and act. It also helps determine how we handle stress, relate to others, and make choices.

Someone who gets off on causing stress from trolling doesn't meet a definition of good mental health in that sense. I in no way meant to compare it to a huge variety of other mental health issues.

What?

I think it tends to be how you define mental health. I personally think trolling is more for attention and you get that once and you keep going with it, and everytime its harder and harder to get that hit.

If you view addiction as a mental health then you might say that it is a mental health problem.

I view all trolls as dangerous, people invest time and energy into a post, you are told not to invest more than you can spare which is wise advice but sometimes you do get sucked in.

Sorry park xpost - didn't refresh . That's awful.

Oh for goodness sake. I didn't say all people with mental health issues are capable of or likely to troll. Obviously the person sick enough to troll about bereavement has issues.

The term 'mental health' encompasses a huge range of things. My point was that I think MNHQ could buy in more expert advice than I suspect they do - in order to identify trolls and protect the innocent

I'm sure there is lots of people with MH issues who wouldn't dream of trolling.

The sick bastard who took my dd's life actually managed to set up a Facebook page from PRISON to protest his innocence. The first we knew about it was when our FLO told us.
He was judged to be of sound mind.

I think that's being very generous to trolls who are mentally fine but just out for kicks. And very unfair to people with mental health issues who manage to not do this sort of shit. That's a fair point but I think that the ones out for kicks aren't that well balanced either.