Can we have a board for people to rant about trans stuff?

traw

And before anyone accuses you of inhabiting the dark corners of the Internet that don't reflect real life, I belong to sooo many groups who expose the underbelly of transactivism. All different. All posting different stuff, from everywhere.

This is not niche. This is not a handful of wankers.

This is every predatory male in the country dribbling with anticipation.

Yeah; it's been eye-opening hanging out on Reddit. I think some people don't venture out of Mumsnet, the Guardian and their own social networks.

Honestly, it makes me mad.

The Internet is positively littered with men saying they can't wait to get into women's spaces. Openly, aggressively boasting about how brilliant this is going to be. Paedophiles rubbing their hands in glee. Men who truly believe that their right to intimidate, openly intimidate a woman is something they should have.

Meanwhile, people sit there bloody pontificating over the finer points of law and what people should or shouldn't do. And how it can all be managed effectively and legally.

Guess what, there are so many men who don't give a fuck.

People are so shit-scared of being seen as A Bad Guy that they'd rather not talk about any of it. Ironically that makes them the bad guys in my view.

I have yet to see transphobia here.

You want to see hatred, google the trans' movements views of women.

Furthermore Ceto, it will be entirely legal for transwomen to use the bathroom of their preferred gender, not sex. There is no opting out of that one.

How many people do you think are aware of autogynephilia?

Every single time a man with AGP legitimately accesses the woman's bathroom, the women in that bathroom will be the unwilling and unconsenting participants in his fetish.

It might interest to you to know that in the entire 98 report published by Maria Miller last year, AGP was not only not addressed, it wasn't even mentioned.

How's that for 'inherent dishonesty'?

What are you talking about, Ceto?

Here is the trans equality report. It's quite long. Here are the 71 recommendations it made. 5-14 relate to the GRA. 17-22 relate to the EA, including the recommendation that there should be no opt-outs for single sex services where someone has a GRC.

Miller's failed gender ID bill (which I think is what you are referring to?) was one tiny part of this, as is the current GRA self-ID proposal.

Maybe your time would be better spent doing some reading and some joined up thinking, rather than telling women we have nothing to worry about just because you don't know what's going on.

Ceto

Whilst I appreciate that you tackle the detail of these things, I think you're being naive.

Six women's groups that I belong to who are trying to organise a cohesive objection to this ideology, most of it simply asking questions, have been continuously shut down by the online provider because of transactivism.

Women are writing to MPs, through the correct channels, and being sent form letters back completely ignoring all the points they are making.

Women are being doxxed online and threatened for speaking out.

Most people have no idea about any of this. Why do you think that is?

In terms of exceptions, and opt outs, they are simply ignored. Otherwise you wouldn't had transwomen raping the female inhabitants of a prison.

A swimming pool in Yorkshire shut down the ladies only session last week because they are completely unaware of the legality of any of this. Because no one is telling them!

The only reason they took legal advice is because 6000 people signed a petition.

So I can neither share your confidence in people understanding the law, and I profoundly disagree that any women are being listened to.

There's an inherent dishonesty in that report anyway, Pencils. All that was proposed by Maria Miller was a simple amendment to the Equality Act bringing trans people into the group of those with protected characteristics. The assumption that this would massively impact on all women completely ignored the fact that there are opt-outs and exceptions in the Equality Act and no indication that they wouldn't apply in exactly the same way to trans people.

Just like we weren't excluded from the consultation for Miller's gender equality report Ceto?

Janice Turner's interview with Maria Miller in the Times

Full text here if you don't have a subscription.

Pic is Turner's follow up letter in the Times.

Just click back out of the thread, it takes seconds to read an op and get the gist of it.
Its not rocket science

Datun, that survey is one of a number of methods of consultation used. There is nothing that excludes women from involvement.

alderipper maybe if you actually understood what the word 'phobia' means (along with the word 'woman') you would know full well there is no such thing on these threads.

they're hopefully not saying this stuff around trans folks

adlertipper you are aware that some "trans folks" are also saying this, yes?

And you are also aware that many of the women saying this are gender non-conforming, yes?

Ceto

Parliament have indeed sent out an online survey to consult with the general public over this issue. At the beginning it asks you about your status, and identity. Unless you identify as LGBT, the survey doesn't let you complete.

adlertippa

If you had opened your eyes, instead of hiding threads, you would have seen the many transwomen on them who disagree with this proposed legislation as much as women.

There is no bile. Only informed opinion. For articles, see Miranda Yardley, a transwoman, and her partner, another transwoman, who write extensively about it.

If the term transgender described what used to be called transsexuals, but are now called 'Truscum' by the community, then I don't think many people would have much of a problem. Indeed, they never have.

Unfortunately the term now includes and promotes autogynephiles.

Here is a link explaining what it is, written by Yardley herself.

mirandayardley.com/en/a-history-of-autogynephilia/

She points out that the majority of transwomen are autogynephiles, not transsexuals. They usually retain their genitalia, remain attracted to women, and are aroused by being in women's spaces.

You may not listen to me, but I will listen to you. If you take the time to inform yourself over this issue, I promise, I will listen to any argument you have.

TERF central 'Feminism' board?

How immature.

Do you tell trans activists who tell radical feminists to get raped, die in fires, drink bleach etc, that they're 'spouting vile'? Or is that just the trans folx punching upwards?

I 'unwatch' transphobic threads as soon as I realise what they are. Ideally I'd unfollow the whole of the TERF central 'Feminism' board but sadly still haven't worked out how. The only consolation is that as long as everyone is spouting bile in this echo chamber, they're hopefully not saying this stuff around trans folks.

The issue of government not consulting women's groups about transgender issues was discussed and reported on widely after Channel 4 news interviewed Julia Long and Jack Monroe last year.

Women's groups have not been consulted, ceto. And Jan Morris is a transsexual, ie has had 'bottom' surgery. The majority of trans people (about 80%) are transgender, not transsexual. Toilets, sports etc are divided by sex, not gender. Sex is the protected characteristic.

As always, the people sqwaking about 'hate' haven't actually got any argument to back up their claim.

Yes, I would. HTH.

Totally. Any man who is that desperate to access women's spaces is very suspect indeed. And should be excluded on that basis alone.

Nonsense. Would you think someone like Jan Morris "very suspect indeed" for not wanting to use men's toilets?

Women aren't allowed an opinion on the new law they are trying to pass

Where does that come from? Where precisely does it say that Parliament will completely subvert all the rules around consultation and debate on any draft laws, and will ban women from the debating chamber?

What you dismiss as "trans stuff" affects every woman and girl, so it's no wonder it's all over the board. Our hard-won rights and spaces are being taken away. If there's any "vile" here, then it gets reported and deleted.

What action, OP, are you taking about the anti-women stuff being pushed forward by extreme trans activists? Or don't you care about that?

Awful idea. As others have said, this is a huge issue for women and the people talking about it shouldn't be sidelined because you are "bored".

There will always be threads that you're not interested in here. If you don't like reading trans threads then don't click on them / click back.

I have been on alot of trans threads and not seen the "vitriolic hatred^ that appatently exsits.

Plus your comment No, because they've all (thankfully) been deleted blows Darlings out the water.