Please could we have a trans issues sub board in feminism?

If MN created a trans topic ghetto, it would become the only policed subject on MN which, if referenced outside the trans topic would be leapt upon by people "you can't talk about that here! Back to your ghetto"

You've clearly never seen a Christmas thread out of topic any time before late November

(Light hearted - I agree a sub topic isn't the answer)

Too important to sideline.

If MN created a trans topic ghetto, it would become the only policed subject on MN which, if referenced outside the trans topic would be leapt upon by people "you can't talk about that here! Back to your ghetto"

Subforums are for the BENEFIT of posters who want to disuss niche subjects. It's not about sparing other posters knowledge of discussions taking place around them.

I don't support 'subject apartheid'!

They are not contrived justifications for others to censor free speech on the rest of the forum.

We all know how this would pan out.

And if MNHQ want more help deciding, the optics of providing a trans sub section on a predominately female forum which would primarily be constituted of feminists rejecting gender ideology... well that just doesn't look too good, does it?

transwoman=oxymoron. If you are a woman you don't need to transition. Sick to effing death of transactivism and the mainstreaming of 'transgenderism' as a thing.

I should add that for me, we're all gender fluid. My objection isn't to men wearing the cultural hallmarks of stereotypical Femininity. On the contrary, I'm all for it, because gender is socially constructed and we should all tear it down. However, sex is biological fact and I wonder, if we weren't all so squeamish about using the word in daily life (for fear of people mistaking it for, you know, Sex) whether we'd be in the confused situation we've arrived at.

User148

Try Chat, maybe, rather than site stuff?

Touché

Devi

I see your point about the number of FWR chat threads that are about this issue. It makes my heart sink a bit too.

I think it behooves us regulars to post more about other things if we want to change the mix, though.

I would like an opportunity to talk about appropriation. Why its innappropriate to pretend to be disabled (however sincerely you might empathise with disabled people or feel a kinship with them) and why it's inappropriate to pretend to be black if you're not, but why it's acceptable to insist you're a woman when you're not. Not being goady. It's a legitimate question.

That's AIBU venus.

Can there be a separate board for unthinking uninformed virtue signallers too?

OK, there is so much more to feminism than trans issues, but the current biggest threat to women’s safe places and protective legislation is because of the trans issue. It shouldn’t be sidelined into a sub-topic, because what feminism has been about for a very long time is to rail against our issues being sidelined.

The reason why so much of the feminism board is taken up by trans issue is because of an increasing number of women wanting to speak about this issue and its effects on us.

Deforestation! Has anyone mentioned the deforestation that's endemic in trans ideology yet? They're male lumberjacks who wear high heels, suspenders and a bra. But they want to blame women for the resulting desertification.

Please, please MNHQ, give the anti-trans activists their own part of MN, so I can hide the straw men, stupidity and fake news that they pass off as "Trans Ideology".

My local womens shelter does not allow donations from lone men (due to abusive partners sending messages to scare their partners in the form of e.g. the same bath set they gave them for last valentines day etc). Does not allow male staff to deliver donations to the location of the refuge. Etc.

The transactivists want to make it illegal and discriminatory to call a biological male a male if they want to be called a woman on Tuesdays, for any purpose, including that of the one above!

If male/female is legally a feeling, then sexual discrimination laws no longer protect you. You can no longer argue sexual discrimination for workplace issues related to anything to do with your biology, because it's transphobic to say that women breastfeed and women menstruate and women need to not be punished for time off due to misscarraige
Because that is language excludes transwomen

I think it is entirely necessary that we do not change the set up.

Everyone needs to know about this.

Women's rights are being eroded by transactivism, ALL women will be affected. We all need to know about it.

Dione, if you want to start non trans related or pro trans threads in feminist chat, no one is stopping you.

The trans issue is one of the biggest which feminists have to deal with and respond to currently - of course it is part of feminist chat, and shouldn't be given a separate board just so people can avoid it.

Roz, tell me specifically about the violence and abuse of women part of trans ideology.

As is always the case when criticism of the content on the fwr boards comes up, my response is to post more of what you want to talk about. It's not a TV channel for your consumption!

It's the idea that oppression of women based on their biology is all bollocks, because apparently men can "feel" like women and therefore be equally as oppressed.

I didn't see it a couple of years ago but I do now.

Rox, tell me about this trans ideology.

Dione but violence, abuse and misogyny women is part of the trans ideology.

I worked in DV for ten years. It's all circular. All part of the same narrative.

Another vote for not setting up a sub-forum.

If there are sufficient posters interested in discussing specific non-trans feminist issues, those threads will start up and buzz along regardless of what's around them, surely?