How does this gel with your thread on your moderation policy MNHQ??

It's a shame, as it could offer so much, but it's just no longer a fun place to be.

Speak for yourself - I still love it! I use it wisely though and click off threads that neither interest me or wind me up.

It is a tricky one and we do not have a deadset policy, we judge by the reaction that we get in reports..... We try to be as fair as possible when it comes to slebs and we can see that we aren't always consistent but it really depends on what pings into our inbox and if there is a general consensus.

Disappointing to see it confirmed that mob rule carries the day, but sadly it does explain the recent lapse of professionalism. MN already has a bit of a reputation as the nasty site by many, I suspect your current course will simply confirm that title. It's a shame, as it could offer so much, but it's just no longer a fun place to be.

But Goddamn you to Hell, you fat flacid cock.

That's not describing his "flaccid cock" though, it's describing him as a flaccid cock. I think that's quite a difference tbh.

Listen, I'm all up for 100 threads where people expose the misogyny of DT. I'm all up for 100 threads where they talk about his harmful ideolgies and how to resist them. Robust argument in all directions. Totally

But that's the unique thing about Mumsnet.

You DO get robust argument.
You also get funny sweary poems.

This has really bothered me as I fucking hate 'how wooooode!' censorship

It means that I can separate my dislike of his behaviour from my decisions around my own behaviour and my views of what correct behaviour is.

. Use words that are meaningful and contribute to a sensible debate. Don't just fling insults at him left right and centre (or anyone - I'm not 'for' DT at all).

The above are entirely different arguments from "MNHQ shouldn't be promoting a thread to classics that personally attacks a public figure whilst at the same time deleting posters who personally attack public figures."

It all comes back to wanting to catch MNHQ out on being hypocritical. As was said upthread. You want a black and white rule. Fair enough. No need to defend Trump as someone who "deserves" reasoned debate.

The poem called DT a flaccid fat cock, it didn't refer to his actual penis.

Was Ched Evans called a cock? Probably at some point.

It's not a direct personal attack.

It's a funny sweary poem.

It doesn't name names, and it's not talking about anyone who will ever have any chance of reading it.

Grow up.

FFS OP.

You sound seriously sour about this. You're like a petulant child stamping their foot.

There's nothing wrong with the poem. We all know that. You're just trying to catch MNHQ out and it's pathetic.

It wasn't a debate OP, it was a poem.

(As others have said it's a bit of satire*

It is not satire. It is blunt invective

It's an absurd proposition that the OP is making and clearly there is an ulterior motive that the OP just isn't making clear. You are using this as a sounding board for a specific point but you just aren't coming out and saying it, are you OP?

What is the point that you want to make here OP if it isn't about Trump?

What about the women he groped, that he raped, the POC in the USA who are facing violence as the result of his election? What about respect for them? You disrespect them when you defer to Trump.

Do you really want MN to become somewhere where we can't mock Peter Andres orange hue?

Or more seriously where most of the threads Regarding Ched Evans would have to be deleted because people were (quite rightly) far from kind about him and he's a public figure?

But where does that leave satire in general, not just on here?

lougle can you not understand that some people do not deserve protection? They do not deserve respect.

What do you mean by this?
I don't like his disablism. But I can separate that from what I think is right and wrong in other areas.

lougle honestly? I can see a time in the near future when we won't be allowed to criticise Trump because he's banned criticism of himself/his inner circle/his administration. Which is why we shouldn't take the poem down.

OP

Donald Trump needs no protection; he is about to become the most powerful person in the world.

Today he called for the cast of a Broadway show to apologise to Mike Pence for publicly calling him out on his dubious attitudes to minorities. No. He can't stifle debate.

The way debate is being shut down in scaring me. Which is why we should be able to criticise Donald Trump, even in a facile way.

Thanks Rebecca.
I understand that you have a difficult balance to maintain, and I know that it is impossible to keep everyone happy.

I also understand that if you come under pressure to delete, you may have to. If you do, I will try to write something which will not offend anyone at all.

The poem was meant to be a bit unpleasant to read. That is why the swearing is in there - it is a lazy, "shortcut to shock" but in this instance it was the only way I could even come close to articulating the strength of my opinion. It is titled obscenity.

It's not particularly clever to use that language, or diplomatic, but it wasn't supposed to be. I am not a diplomat or a politician. Yes, I made up a crude poem about a foreign leader but I am never - for example- going to be foreign secretary.

I once complained about comments aimed at a vulnerable mentally ill person on one of those dreadful reality documentaries. Because he was neither a member or in any position to do anything about it MNHQ let them stand.
This was several years ago. They've never really gone in for a dead straight line. Which is fine, even if you find some instances personally annoying or even upsetting. It's part of what keeps it a relatively free flowing place for discussion.

Well, it's a bit Lower 6th and shouty, but we are allowed to call people wankers and shits on here unless they are a fellow poster or someone MNHQ doesn't want to upset because of a backlash or death threats.
I very much doubt Donald Trump is going to know or care about it, even if it has made Classics.