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How does this gel with your thread on your moderation policy MNHQ??

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lougle · 19/11/2016 13:05

Apologies in advance for a thread about two threads - I don't want to derail either thread but I'm genuinely curious as to how you've reconciled your stance on moderation with your response to squishysquirmy's poem about Donald Trump?

On your Moderation policy thread Justine says:

"This doesn't mean that it's a complete free for all. Of course we do and will continue to remove posts that break our rules – for instance personal attacks and those that break the law or promote hate."

Then on Squishysquirmy's Help-What-rhymes-with-cuntweasel? thread you've promoted the thread to classics because it contains a 77 line, very clever, very amusing, poem about Donald Trump, which is

-clearly a personal attack
-encouraging others to ridicule him

I'm absolutely no fan, I have to say, but what was the thinking here?? How does this get promoted to classics when other less offensive posts have been deleted recently?

I do think there needs to be some level of consistency if you want people to accept that you are making rational decisions about what you delete.

OP posts:
ZackyVengeance · 19/11/2016 23:36

i was once deleted because i posted that our then PM ......about his child
he didn't

so if a thread slagging off an USA PM is now in classics
yep mn had gone weird

IPityThePontipines · 19/11/2016 23:25

I'm telling MNHQ that it seems inconsistent and wrong, imo, to delete PAs about one public figure who has said some unpleasant things and promote to classics a PA about another public figure who has said some unpleasant things.

So it really was about PL all along then? Hmm

All this stuff about "not suitable for classics" was just scraping around for another thing to kick MNHQ with.

Let it go OP, let it go.

MyWineTime · 19/11/2016 22:28

That poem is brilliant - thank you for bringing it to my attention OP Grin

DT requires no protection from a poem.

DioneTheDiabolist · 19/11/2016 22:00

BTW, I wasn't on your thread Squishy, but I think your poem was class.Smile

CaesiumTime · 19/11/2016 21:44

I thought they were great quotes too, Errol.

MistressMerryWeather · 19/11/2016 21:43

Those quotes are fabulous, Errol.

Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago made me smile.

DioneTheDiabolist · 19/11/2016 21:41

The rule about misgendering is very clear OP. Most of the deletions on the PL thread were for misgendering. They are so clear that some posters on that thread pointed out the risk of deletion at the time.

Saucery · 19/11/2016 21:41

If the Slebs have kicked off the moderation suddenly gets a bit heavier on posts about them. It has always been like that.

SouthWestmom · 19/11/2016 21:36

The poems a bit shit. Post Penis Beaker the bar is so low who cares?

PA s to me have always been against other members not the sleb types.

lougle · 19/11/2016 21:35

I'm not trying to catch MNHQ out - it's their site! I'm telling MNHQ that it seems inconsistent and wrong, imo, to delete PAs about one public figure who has said some unpleasant things and promote to classics a PA about another public figure who has said some unpleasant things.

I've been a member here for 11 years. MNHQ used to be consistent in their actions and while we might not agree always, it always made sense. These days it seems much more arbitrary and I'm not sure why. I think it's ok to say that and I think it's ok to raise that.

OP posts:
Flingmoo · 19/11/2016 21:28

You're just trying to catch MNHQ out - I agree. The phrase 'pearl clutching' springs to mind... 'Inappropriate' to send it to Classics? Seriously?! I know the world's gone mad but I thought at least Mumsnet was a safe place from the insanity this man has inspired in people... You do know it's Donald fucking Trump we're talking about here?! Potentially the most powerful man in the world. Once again, he does NOT need protecting from unkind words on a parenting forum!

WellErrr · 19/11/2016 21:28

Squishy Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2016 21:18

Those who are demanding 'consistency' might do well to reflect on some of these quotes, especially the Emerson.

MNHQs more flexible approach makes their lives harder but I think many of us are grateful for it. They don't get absolutely every call absolutely right, but by and large their moderate moderation hits a good balance.Flowers

Philoslothy · 19/11/2016 21:14

I had no idea that Donald Trump was transgender

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 19/11/2016 21:11

...it's always been very flexible moderation, but the wave of posters demanding uber correctness and absolute infallibility from HQ is quite new....

Absolutely this.

DioneTheDiabolist · 19/11/2016 21:11

Grin Squishy.

DioneTheDiabolist · 19/11/2016 21:09

Remember, we do not pre-moderate posts. We rely on our members to let us know about any posts that break our Guidelines.
^^from the talk guidelines.

That is the way this site has been run for many years Ginger. Interpret it as "mob rule" if you like. I personally feel that the site would not be as much fun if poems about world leaders were deleted.

CaesiumTime · 19/11/2016 21:09

I'm getting the impression that 'absurd proposition' = 'doesn't agree with CaesiumTime'

I'm not relenting in my position that doesn't mean that I am demanding agreement FFS Confused

squishysquirmy · 19/11/2016 21:07

Sorry, it dosen't rhyme.

WellErrr · 19/11/2016 21:07

Yy saucery - it's always been very flexible moderation, but the wave of posters demanding uber correctness and absolute infallibility from HQ is quite new....

squishysquirmy · 19/11/2016 21:05

One very important clarification - I didn't mean he has a fat flaccid cock. I have no idea and would rather stick pencils in my eyes than find out. I meant that there is something about the shininess and shape of his face that looks a tiny bit like one. And it rhymes with shock.

Below is a politer version which I really hope will not offend anyone:

I do not wish to offend you, sir, but I must respectfully admit that I do not much care for the cut of your jib.

Furthermore, I have reason to feel some misgivings about the veracity of several of your past statements.

I am also concerned that you have not always conducted yourself in a gentlemanly manner and at times your comments on minorities in particular could be construed as a tad unsporting.

Most importantly, I am compelled to confess that I have observed certain parallells between your rhetoric and rise to power (in particular the threats to lock up political opponents; scapegoating of unpopular minorities; exploitation of security fears as an excuse to clamp down on civil freedoms; nostalgic nationalism; promises to increase military power; inciting violence against protestors at rallies; strong reaction to media criticism; demonisation of those who disagree with you; and links to white supremacists) and a political ideology of the 20th Century.

Redglitter · 19/11/2016 21:02

I'm in 2 minds as to whether it should go but I think it's completely inappropriate to make it a 'Classic'

WellErrr · 19/11/2016 21:01

It's not 'mob rule,' it's taking the lead from the opinions of their members.

Totally different.

Saucery · 19/11/2016 20:55

I'd disagree that it's recent and even a lack of professionalism. I've been here about 9 years and there have always been discrepancies. Not so much with PAs against other posters but those aimed at public figures.

GingerIvy · 19/11/2016 20:48

I did speak for myself. I never said I was speaking for anyone else. 😐

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