Can MNHQ actually do anything about the DM publishing threads?

-Daily Mail are cunts repeated as a background on ever single thread.

I vote for this one.

Go on vintage, try it for us, we need to see if every other sentence is viable

Oh give over with the reinventing of the wheel and the totes hilaires "let's say the DM are cunts" stuff.

That's been done on MN for years.

It works well, as you can see.

Pah.

There's an obscure language somewhere in which full stops just happen to be written "the Daily Mail are trashy cunts".

I vote we adopt that. Like writing a telegram.

Do iPhones do keyboard shortcuts?

It is a ridiculous argument to say that the OP is put at risk when it gets posted on the DM but is somehow safe when posting here!
Does it even matter what the difference is in figures between the 2 sites?

pinkunicornsarefluffy How do you know that your friends don't read MN? My RL friends wouldn't know that I do, and I wouldn't know if they do either. What they post on Facebook isn't an indication of what they read otherwise.

And as I said previously, a thread appearing in the DM will only appear there for one day until it is replaced by something else, so you are dependent on someone being A, a regular DM reader, and B, reading on the day it is published and seeing that particular story. I'm a regular BBC news reader, and still I don't see all articles that appear on any given day.

However, if an OP posts a particularly sensitive post looking for help/advice, then it's entirely likely that it will receive hundreds and hundreds of replies, with regular updates from the OP, possibly with follow-up threads linking back to the originals, and could be trending on active for weeks or even months. It would be far more likely that you would come across it even through googling, and not only be able to find the thread in question, but also the back story and be able to continue to follow its progression while the OP is happily oblivious.

So no, I disagree. It is far more likely that someone would be identified from a thread on here than from a one-off posting on a tabloid website.

People have been being recognised here for ever. There are in fact threads asking what people should do if they've recognised someone from RL on MN, and that's before you get to threads which are tracked down and followed by partners, family members, friends that OP's have written about.

This notion that MN Or the DM are putting people's lives at risk is hysterical rubbish. If you're at risk already then find a more secure way to get help. Like women's aid. MN is a good place for advice but it is not a safe haven.

There have been loads of threads asking this. If you writing something on a very public and open website it's the risk you're taking. Of course MN are not going to try and stop them putting anything in the DM as it brings traffic to there site so they make money.

People have to stop thinking of MN as some sort of safe space. If you feel you would be identified if someone read what you're writing and you don't want to be outed then don't do it. Or change some significant details.

It is easy to get sucked into believing that MN is safe, however it can be viewed by anyone.

I do agree with OP though that there is far more chance of people being outed on DM than MN. Most of my friends have never heard of/never used MN, however a lot of them have DM feeds on facebook.

So surely it stands to reason that DM reaches far more people than MN due to the fact that it is a daily newspaper, and MN is a forum that not everyone uses? Therefore there are stories reaching the DM readers that none of them would have ever seen otherwise, because they never use MN.

Oh no, apparently they Google mumsnet and the DM pops up. . Because we're all gullible enough to believe that. .

Aye, it's odd isn't it, that for a paper which is so vilified, there are clearly (or we wouldn't know, would we?) a heck of a lot of MNers reading it day in day out.

"you honestly can't see the difference between posting on a mostly female site, and the same info being on the DM website?" no. Because there is no difference. You are incredibly naive if you think otherwise. MN has over a million hits a day. Do you really, honestly believe that it is only visited by women? It really isn't.

If you go back over MN's history there have been countless threads where posters have posted here about their partners and their partners have found, and even posted on the threads in question. This has been happening since I first joined here and I've been a member here for eleven years. Nothing has changed.

And it's not being posted "in a national newspaper" it's being posted on there website. Here today, gone tomorrow, whereas the same thread will still be there in twenty years time unless you post in chat or 30 days.

People really need to get real over this. Oh, and stop reading the daily mail, you're contributing to their revenue.

you honestly can't see the difference between posting on a mostly female site, and the same info being on the DM website?
I suspect the demographics of MN and the DM online are very similar.

at the idea of putting one of those stupid FB "I do not give permission wah-wah" sentences on your posts. Yeah, go on, give it a go.

It's the world wide fucking web, not your secret diary. Sheesh, some people need their internet privileges revoking.

The OP of this week's DM thread has just started another saying she is the OP of that thread in the DM and now she's namechanged, so she's er, kind of outed herself all over again.

You can't tell some people tbh.

"But putting people at serious risk of harm through domestic violence is seriously different. It's a massive safety issue. The Relationships board, given the nature of things that are posted there, should not be allowed to be linked to." But the only people putting people at risk of serious harm (assuming of course that the threads are even real) is the poster posting about their life on the Internet.

The relationships board is public. anyone even the abuser can read it. When will people realise this?

I was recognised in a shop many, many years ago by a mn'er who merely recognised me from fairly inocuous but still relatively identifiable information I had posted on here e.g. Advice on schools in an area I lived in, the fact I am VI and have a guide dog and a chilD. I'm not bothered really. I don't have anything to hide on here. My eXH and my DP all know my MN username and I have no inclination to change it because I don't use MN to slag off my partner or my ex or my family. It's not rocket science.

People are responsible for what they post on public Internet forums.

If people really want to be unidentifiable then don't post information that identifies you, your partner, your children, your domestic situation, on public forums. It being reproduced in the Daily mail or elsewhere (and let's be honest you have no idea whether people are e.g. Sharing your posts to Facebook, Twitter, their mates, isn't putting you any more at risk than publishing it on MN.

In fact, I would say that people are more at risk by posting information which identifies them on here than it being reproduced elsewhere. Because that daily mail article will only catch people's attention for one day at most, and then it will be superseded by some other tripe. Whereas your post about your abusive husband/arsehole mil/shit sex life might run into a thousand posts and pop up in active time and time and time again for months, where anyone is free to find it.

Like a PP said, an abusive partner is more likely to find a thread on MN than see it in the DM so that argument isn't really valid.

As for putting 'copyright' stuff in posts it's meaningless.

Anyone can see posts on here - I think this is something that hasn't occurred to a lot of people

I do not give permission for this thread - my intellectual property - to be used in any way outside of MumsNets Forum
Meaningless and unenforceable.

It would be better if there was a notice somewhere to explain that anything you post on here can be copied under fair use laws and there's nothing that you or MNHQ can do to stop that, so be careful about what you post.

Because it's one thing to have penis beaker threads on the DM, which bring much hilarity and new visitors and members that are that way inclined.

But putting people at serious risk of harm through domestic violence is seriously different. It's a massive safety issue. The Relationships board, given the nature of things that are posted there, should not be allowed to be linked to.

look into ways of blocking screenshots
Completely futile! It can't be done.

I think it is the poster's responsibility to make sure they don't post identifiable information.

I don't understand how it is different and they are happy to post of MN, but it's outrageous that it's then picked up by the DM.
If you are posting it publically on the internet - it's public!!

Why would HQ do anything? They will get more visitors as a result and the same for the Mail. It's a public forum - you don't even have to register.

It's lazy journalism, of course it is, but the more threads frothing about the DM, the more they are going to do it.

Perhaps we should have an option (like a tick box) to start every new thread with a disclaimer:

I do not give permission for this thread - my intellectual property - to be used in any way outside of MumsNets Forum

That's something MN could do quite easily I guess?

ItsAll very good ideas.

Please do this HQ.