How about a campaign where the users get MNHQ staff to take diversity training?

A great deal of diversity training covers trans issues. The subject is also being referenced in many other types of corporate and public sector training if the myriad of programmes I see every day is an indication.

I'm not sure it's sensible or even in the spirit of inclusion to state certain topics are worthy of diversity training debate and other viewpoints are 'boring.'

Surely trans issues come under the 'diversity' umbrella? The OP was asking MNHQ for staff to do diversity training so not necessarily just about disabled people.

I think Prawn has a valid point in the context of this thread, whether or not trans issues are your thing tbh. They allow a lot of discussion about trans and many other subjects that are slapped down elsewhere on the internet. They don't pander to them as shouts loudest.

No, i don't see kids with gender dysphoria as being Disabled, they do not become 'less abled' because they happen to wish they were the opposite biological sex.

If they suffer with mental health issues, then that is a different story, and in those cases, they are equally protected by the Equality act, but only by way of having a recognisable, diagnosed illness that impacts, long term on their ability to function.

However, i think a lot of Trans people would object if i labelled them as Sick/Ill/Disabled simply because they were Trans.

I think if any group had an issue with MN moderation etc they would be very welcome to contact MNHQ for a discussion. I can't see some drawbridge being pulled up and a truculent refusal to take on board alternative views.
Whether that would lead to a nice shiny certificate to be wafted in front of posters who seem to like that sort of thing is another matter.

prawn This is not a tread about trans issues. God knows there are a gazillion of them already. boring
Why don't you post on one of them, or start your own.

The problem I have with disability groups offering advice is that there is an enormous range of opinions. For example, the Deaf community do not all consider themselves as having a disability, neither do some people on the Autistic Spectrum. Mental health adult advocacy groups, for example, work very differently to groups for parents of children with physical disabilities.

Most of them have been deleted. Other than that cba.

Do you not see the issue of trans kids as being an able/disable thing, IPity? It's gearing up kids for a lifetime of medication. It sterilizes them. If you care about children's psychological and physical health it's a big deal. I get that some people aren't interested (bloody trans again) but it's kinda weird to see that opinion expressed on a thread discussing ugly attitudes to health.

Tiggy - no 'outside diversity group' is going to say "Hey you're doing great!" 'cause they wouldn't be able to charge £££££s for it.

Itsall - I think you've hit the nail on the head there. It's the 2nd scenario you mention that people have the problem with, not the first.

"If you have the majority backing you then why do you need to try and suppress differing views?"

Because we get verbally attacked for disagreeing with the minority.

Yes, Piglet, they do indeed. They seem to reach their conclusions based on Do MN Appear To Agree With My POV.

By the same token, there are some people who always crop up on certain threads to be aggressive and to shout their views. And no, I'm not just talking about disability threads.

Neither can you, petit.

People seem to assume what MNHQ do or don't do or what they have done.....

I think it would be of benefit if some outside diversity group were to go through Mumsnet's policies and procedures. They'll either get told "Hey guys! You're doing just great!" or "There's some room for improvement. Let's order a take-out and have a thought shower session on ways you can do things even better!"

But Justine won't. Probably for the same reason I didn't take up my local health centre's 'well man' check-up for my 40th birthday. It's better to not know if there's something wrong than have a check-up and risk finding out for certain.

BBA You can't help yourself can you.

A bit like posters who pop up on threads just to bitchplop then, petit?

And actually people do have a deliberate field day posterity covert stuff either late at night or at the weekend. One post regarding not taking SN kids out in the community was left for three days.

I have never told anyone else what to think. I do make it clear how I and some others I know who are disabled feel about it, though.

If you are disabled and disagree then it doesn't really matter, does it? If you have the majority backing you then why do you need to try and suppress differing views?

Why do those with who share majority views shout down and try to silence those who differ?

Or should those who see misogyny be silenced? Or racism? Or homophobia or xenophobia?