How about a campaign where the users get MNHQ staff to take diversity training?

Manumission - the problem is that even people who do have disabilities can't agree what is "zero tolerance".

Take the word "moron" for example. To many, many, many people it's medical history is so far removed that it doesn't really "count" any more. To others it's a complete no-no.

Bit like swearing too - some people think it's disgusting and beyond the pale, some don't give a shit and think nothing of swearing in front of children.

Link to the offending post?

On the many disablism threads there were arguments between people with disabilities and parents of people with disabilities about what disablism is and what counts as disablism. That is why MNHQ will piss someone off whatever they do.

The worst thing is if HQ came along and said 'It's fine to have a problem with how we run things but stop bloody speaking to us like shit and accusing us of all sorts' (only much nicer obviously) there would be uproar from some posters.

Well it's her choice of words which made it sound like issuing orders!

Well, like I said; feelings are running high.

There must be some way forward other than "Anyone upset by the disablism can piss off and dereg".

I find these threads embarrassing. No matter what stance mn take on any issue, they'll piss somebody off.

Who exactly would be pissed off by a zero-tolerance stance on disablism? Anyone of value?

And if you're embarrassed by disabled people and parents of disabled children getting upset about disablism, I'm embarrassed for you frankly.

I got the impression that all these threads hurling abuse at MNHQ were based largely on pulling everyone else to pieces over the choice of words.

Well it's her choice of words which made it sound like issuing orders!

Oh come on, she was upset. Let's not pull her to pieces over the exact choice of word.

There's been a veritable avalanche of disability-baiting trolls recently and controversy over the response and people are upset.

'How about a campaign where the users of mumsnet get mnhq staff to take diversity training'. Sounds like issuing orders to me.

Oh for an edit function though.

Bastards

I find these threads embarrassing. No matter what stance mn take on any issue, they'll piss somebody off. They can't do right for doing wrong. They do a bloody good job with the vast range of priorities demanded of them. They don't charge us and the moderate us very lightly.

I think they do a bloody good job.

Did you? I read it that posters involved in the diabetes thing were upset.

Manumision I read it exactly as though some posters are issuing orders to MNHQ. And agree with Annie

Sometimes I think there's an awful lot of posters who seem hell bent on getting MN shut down.

I'm afraid I'm also of the opinion that if you don't like it here, deregister.

I am not being dramatic Manumission but thank you ever so much for your suggestion.

Oh don't be so dramatic Annie.

MNHQ are usually pretty receptive to a bit of discussion. They can respond or not. Nobody's being 'brave' or issuing orders

Fuck sake, can we please call an end to these ridiculous threads aimed at MNHQ for their supposed failings?

OP and those that have jumped on the bandwagon:
You are a user of MN, you are not an owner, a director, a shareholder or anyone with any authority whatsoever. If you don't like the stance that MNHQ have taken on an issue, then de-register. If you do not like the personal opinions of those employed by MNHQ, then de-register. If you take issue with the ethos of the site or its owners, then de-register.

No one is forcing you to be here. You may think that you are being brave and calling out MNHQ for their "failings" but you are not. This bullshit is tiresome and pointless.

Well I only briefly saw the diabetes thread early on so while I can see that there's been upset, I must admit I'm not completely au fait with the details of that particular debacle.

But despite things clearly being a bit fraught ATM, I don't understand why the suggestion is getting such an extremely hostile response.

They aren't our Mum we aren't here for instruction.

That's not really what diversity training is for.

It's not weird to think they might choose to do diversity training, it is weird that the people who use their chat forum demand they do it.

We are not stakeholders. We are the product.
We don't have to be the product, as has been pointed out.

Just about to say the same.

It's a website.
Was a small one tis now big.
It used to be about allowing us to talk and learn from each other, robust debate.

It was better than lots because they don't police us.

They aren't our Mum we aren't here for instruction.

No one thinks it's a small private gathering.

Well okay then.

So it's a public media org with a large readership/membership, advertisers and so on. There's nothing really so weird about that idea that they might use diversity training.