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To Ask That MNHQ Treat ALL Posts/Posters/Campaigns Seeking To Derail & Hunt Out Any Form Of Bigotry, As They Do Troll Hunters

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RockinHippy · 20/10/2016 11:43

The current trend has been a campaign to point out & completely derail threads with shouts of disabilsm, too often IMHO, unfounded.

Though I do feel a lot of empathy for the posters involved & know too well that disablism can exist. Plus I don't doubt they have difficult lives dealing with all that comes with DCs with SN, however I do feel what is happening currently on MN is way over the top, hypersensitive & does no one any favours, least of all the disabled & is IMHO comparable to "troll hunting" & feel it would improve many posters enjoyment of MN if MNHQ could treat this & any similarly bigot hunting posts/campaigns in the same way as they do Troll Hunters.

I should add, I am a disabled DM, of a disabled DC & as such I do not appreciate the current campaign as speaking for us all - not in my name thank you very much, its way OTT & quite frankly damaging & it has become very boring.

I have no intention if getting into any debates, I have seen enough posts to form the opinion that the inevitable stress & real life disabilist problems that can of course go hand in hand with raising DCs with SN can result in a warped perspective of others intentions. I also find it sad, that posters who should have far more empathy for people starting threads in difficult & stressful situations, might not actually word themselves very well & really don't need posters jumping down their throats for perceived bigotry that the rest of us do not see. Ive just left a thread with a prime example of that, where reference to a school looking out for "bad kids" was instantly taken to mean SN, rather than just troubled kids in all quises, very often without any SN at all, as has been our own experience with a similarly biased primary school. That is not disabilism, it is is simply a bad choice of words referring to disruptive & aggressive behaviour for a host of reasons.

I wont reply to any attacks on this post. I just think in the interest of keeping MN the welcoming, place where parents etc can ask for help & opinions related to a specific issue, that it is meant to be. That it might be helpful that all such campaigns & posts be treat in the same way as troll hunting & any grievances as regards any posting/threads be reported, rather than attacked in the frenzied & unhelpful way that seems to be happening too often of late.

Perhaps those of us who feel this way can let MNHQ know here...

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GingerIvy · 20/10/2016 12:37

Perhaps when someone comes calmly on those threads and mentions SNs or disabilities, if others didn't instantly jump at them accusing them of shouting disabilism or discrimination and being aggressive (when they have not been), then the threads wouldn't reach that point. It happens a lot.

BishopBrennansArse · 20/10/2016 12:34

This morning there are threads on here advocating calling the police because a school has failed to meet the needs of a child with an and because of this mother child was hurt. Who was blamed? The child, not the school.

There's also a thread advocating making decisions for people unable to express their opinion for the caregiver's best interests not the disabled person.

Whilst this attitude exists it needs to be highlighted. There is covert disablism here all the time as well as overt.

I haven't name called. Yes I've been abrupt but I've had ten years of being told to shut up, that tends to make you a bit abrupt tbh. I've also contributed to threads in a way that attempts to be constructive.

I've also said I don't speak for the entire disabled community so OP do you think you can do the same? Speak for yourself not an entire community?

Silencing members of a minority group because what they say causes discomfort is not a good thing to do.

WaitrosePigeon · 20/10/2016 12:32

Thank you for posting this.

NerrSnerr · 20/10/2016 12:30

I think it's inevitable two things are going to happen in the near future. There is going to be a huge influx of goady threads about disabled people and 'Aibu to be annoyed because someone who may be disabled did something to annoy me' because some people enjoy arguments and know that it'll get lots of people riled up and discussing their anger on other threads. Unfortunately people with real problems won't bother posting because they won't want the agro. I know I wouldn't at the moment.

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 20/10/2016 12:18

No I don't know the answer either, but I think your comparison to troll hunting is valid.

See it, report it. If MNHQ don't delete then assume they disagree with you. If you can't accept that then leave, or if you think they are falling foul of any laws make an official complaint.

RockinHippy · 20/10/2016 12:05

Yes, I have seen some awful attacks, both unfounded & just plain OTT where a polite pointing out what was said badly would probably have far more effect.

Its definitely ruining MN right now thats for sure

Im not 100% sure what the answer is myself either TBH, but something needs to be done & maybe attacks treat as troll hunting would at least stop the worst of it, though hopefully dealt with by MN staff with correct training or experience to recognise when there is a genuine valid compkaint & not just brush it off

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Soubriquet · 20/10/2016 12:04

Well actually I'm surprised the word idiot wasn't pulled up on tbh

I know it's not a PC term on here

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 20/10/2016 12:02

I agree with you OP. It's making it impossible to ask any question about anything without being accused of disablism.

I'm surprised the thread about the idiot neighbours hasn't been ripped apart for disablism as there might possibly be hidden disabilities/MH issues and the OP should just suck it up because to do otherwise is covert disablism.

Soubriquet · 20/10/2016 11:58

I agree. It's not nice and it's making mn a very unpleasant place to be lately

But I do understand how frustrated people are. They are bit being listened to, told by MNHQ that they are seeing things and being told they are the "SN squad". It's going to hurt. It's going to get them on the attack.

Something needs to change. But I don't know what

RockinHippy · 20/10/2016 11:57

You are right Soubriquet & I also have no problem with the former, but all I am seeing lately is the latter & sadly I don't think it does any of us any favours & there does seem to be a big campaign of attacking going on, on here atm

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Soubriquet · 20/10/2016 11:49

This isn't going to go well tbh

The problem is, sometimes there is disabilism when it isn't obvious. I don't mind it being pointed out

I don't appreciate being jumped on and accused of being disabilist.

That is the difference

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