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To Ask That MNHQ Treat ALL Posts/Posters/Campaigns Seeking To Derail & Hunt Out Any Form Of Bigotry, As They Do Troll Hunters

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RockinHippy · 20/10/2016 11:43

The current trend has been a campaign to point out & completely derail threads with shouts of disabilsm, too often IMHO, unfounded.

Though I do feel a lot of empathy for the posters involved & know too well that disablism can exist. Plus I don't doubt they have difficult lives dealing with all that comes with DCs with SN, however I do feel what is happening currently on MN is way over the top, hypersensitive & does no one any favours, least of all the disabled & is IMHO comparable to "troll hunting" & feel it would improve many posters enjoyment of MN if MNHQ could treat this & any similarly bigot hunting posts/campaigns in the same way as they do Troll Hunters.

I should add, I am a disabled DM, of a disabled DC & as such I do not appreciate the current campaign as speaking for us all - not in my name thank you very much, its way OTT & quite frankly damaging & it has become very boring.

I have no intention if getting into any debates, I have seen enough posts to form the opinion that the inevitable stress & real life disabilist problems that can of course go hand in hand with raising DCs with SN can result in a warped perspective of others intentions. I also find it sad, that posters who should have far more empathy for people starting threads in difficult & stressful situations, might not actually word themselves very well & really don't need posters jumping down their throats for perceived bigotry that the rest of us do not see. Ive just left a thread with a prime example of that, where reference to a school looking out for "bad kids" was instantly taken to mean SN, rather than just troubled kids in all quises, very often without any SN at all, as has been our own experience with a similarly biased primary school. That is not disabilism, it is is simply a bad choice of words referring to disruptive & aggressive behaviour for a host of reasons.

I wont reply to any attacks on this post. I just think in the interest of keeping MN the welcoming, place where parents etc can ask for help & opinions related to a specific issue, that it is meant to be. That it might be helpful that all such campaigns & posts be treat in the same way as troll hunting & any grievances as regards any posting/threads be reported, rather than attacked in the frenzied & unhelpful way that seems to be happening too often of late.

Perhaps those of us who feel this way can let MNHQ know here...

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MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 20/10/2016 15:34

Don't slate me!!!

I think "suffered as a result of the behaviour of a person with a disability" is better.

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 20/10/2016 15:31

It how unintentional it is I think.

I don't think it's fair to call someone disablist when there is no evidence of disabilities other than a maybe.

I also don't think it's fair to call someone disablist when they are the victim of a person who has a disability. (If there is a better way to explain that please be polite about it.)

Yes Pag - I agree with dispute the posts, not the poster.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 20/10/2016 15:26

I'm quite shocked that members of the disabled community are t allowed to decide whether or not something is disablist. Why is it appropriate for people who aren't from that community to decide?

But some people from that community are saying certain things aren't disabilist and get shouted down for daring to have a different view.

MorrisZapp · 20/10/2016 15:23

I've argued and argued about what constitutes sexism. With women.

If I'm accused of any ism I'll defend myself. Sometimes another woman accuses me of sexism and I feel it's unfair.

I don't think any one person or group get to make the rules, particularly where there is intersection.

GingerIvy · 20/10/2016 15:21

Unintentional disablism is still disablism. Just like unintentional racism is still racism.

If you said something offensive unintentionally, wouldn't you want someone to mention it, so you didn't say it again?

BolivarAtasco · 20/10/2016 15:20

I'm with the OP too.

MN is the most moderated and politically-correct forum I've ever encountered (and I don't mean that in an insulting way), yet some posters seem determined to find disablism where it's perfectly obvious that none was intended.

AGruffaloCrumble · 20/10/2016 15:19

A lot of people from the disabled community also disagree on what is/isn't disablist though.

BishopBrennansArse · 20/10/2016 15:14

I'm quite shocked that members of the disabled community are t allowed to decide whether or not something is disablist. Why is it appropriate for people who aren't from that community to decide?

Does a majority ethnic group get to decide what is acceptable to say to the minority ethnic group in the same way?

PolterGoose · 20/10/2016 15:10

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Pagwatch · 20/10/2016 15:10

But Milk then surely everyone should be better at reporting and ignoring, rather than the ops suggestion?

If you feel are being attacked by poster a and poster b then they are the problem. Not me just because I also have a disabled child.

im not going to have a problem with you just because you might agree with points made by someone I consider to be a bit of a dick.

It's the 'dispute the posts not the poster' thing isn't it.

GingerIvy · 20/10/2016 15:01

Most do challenge constructively. Then they get verbally attacked and sniped at, and the frustration bubbles over. I've been polite on this thread. The responses I've gotten haven't always been polite though. I can continue to be polite, try to point out the issues, but when people demand repeatedly that you engage in their derailing sniping, it's frustrating and only encourages other to join in the negative attitudes.

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 20/10/2016 14:52

Polter - I think challenging constructively is fine, it's the rudeness, the PAs, the sniping, the threads alerting posters to other threads that's the problem.

Butteredpars1ps · 20/10/2016 14:52

OK to clarify. It's the goady derailing that bugs me. I am not suggesting we stop challenging isms.

PolterGoose · 20/10/2016 14:45

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 20/10/2016 14:40

Nobody could really want posters who challenge bigotry to be treated like trolls

I think the point is to report the posts tgat are wrong rather than getting into slanging matches and name calling.

Soubriquet · 20/10/2016 14:39

Not like trolls polter but troll hunters

PolterGoose · 20/10/2016 14:38

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Butteredpars1ps · 20/10/2016 14:22

I'm with the OP.

As PP have said people come here looking for support, if in the course of doing so they post something that is disablist or offensive, they absolutely should be called on it. And Although there is no responsibility for other posters to educate the person who is perceived to have caused the offence, if a reason is given for the view, a constructive discussion can continue.

I don't like it when threads are derailed, because some posters consider they are judge and jury on a particular topic. Particularly when anyone who dares to have an alternative view is branded disablist and is subjected to unpleasant personal attacks.

In my view derailing a thread is a form of trolling, and I would like to see it managed in the same way.

NavyandWhite · 20/10/2016 14:21

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GingerIvy · 20/10/2016 14:17

I'd say that illustrates my point fairly clearly.

NavyandWhite · 20/10/2016 14:15

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GingerIvy · 20/10/2016 14:13

But you're making a sweeping statement there. I didn't say anything about this boys mum being neglectful or otherwise.

That's fine, as I wasn't talking about you.

Has it ever even crossed your mind some children are badly behaved?

I'll point out that I made a calm, measured, thoughtful post to a general situation, and you immediately made assumptions and went after the details and criticised me. THIS is where some of the problem lies.

NavyandWhite · 20/10/2016 14:12

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usual · 20/10/2016 14:10

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MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 20/10/2016 14:09

Ginger - d'you know what... no it isn't much to take a moment and consider the other child. And your post there is the kind of post that does make people stop and think.

If only more of the posts were like that and less accusatory!

(Although for my DS the problem isn't so simple and I have no idea what the long term solution is.)

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