Disablism

Fanjo
"It's appalling, watching you being told you are over sensitive on other thread for mentioning disablism BBA"

I wonder if this snarky comment was aimed at me? I mentioned something similar on the other thread in the middle of a what I was hoping was a civil question, I really didn't expect it to be repeated elsewhere and twisted out of context to make it sound so bad

If you can't make your points honestly without plain lying about other posts you should take a look at yourself.

Too many don't realise that the illness is the illness society's reaction to it is the disability.

Here we are!

I think one of the problems is ignorance of the social model, that disability is a societal problem not a medical condition, so no, that kid in the saunas mum isn't the problem, that colleague isn't the problem, the wheelchair on the bus isn't the problem, SOCIETY is the problem.

So, paralysis = medical condition, being disabled as a result of paralysis societal issue.

EG

A wheelchair user wants to get into a building with a step at the entrance. Under a social model solution, a ramp would be added to the entrance so that the wheelchair user is free to go into the building immediately. Using the medical model, there are very few solutions to help wheelchair users to climb stairs, which excludes them from many essential and leisure activities.
A teenager with a learning difficulty wants to live independently in their own home but is unsure how to pay the rent. Under the social model, the person would be supported so that they can pay rent and live in their own home. Under a medical model, the young person might be expected to live in a communal home.
A child with a visual impairment wants to read the latest best-selling book, so that they can chat about it with their sighted friends. Under the medical model, there are very few solutions. A social model solution makes full-text audio recordings available when the book is first published. This means children with visual impairments can join in cultural activities with everyone else.

I know to you guys on this thread, that's like telling your grandma to suck eggs, but I think that it's lacking for many.

It always amazes me amount of sheer angry and zero patience and understand others can have over issue. If you try explain using an example it's seen as very aggressive and personal to them (and as non disabled it dosnt even impact their lives). Yet we who put up with it everyday on some level have to be 100 X more careful and patient and not get upset at all ever!

I missed the last thread, but candy that's very well put.

I'm out of that other thread. I can't anymore guys I'm sorry.

Yes, I got the thread title was unacceptable just by reading it. Can't imagine why anyone would think that wording was ok!

But sadly it does

Have to add that if someone discloses a disability don't rip into them and claim it's an "excuse" or that they are exaggerating. Don't completely ignore the impact the disability has on them and give them a kicking. As a general point. Shouldn't even need saying that that should be a rule.

For example

"My colleague doesn't pull his weight because he is black"
"My colleague doesn't pull his weight because he is gay"

Gets dealt with

"My colleague if isn't pull his weight because he is a carer for his disabled child"

Isn't dealt with.

People do not use disability as an excuse and it's hurtful and offensive to say they do.

That makes perfect sense candy.

Also discussed

We want MNHQ to address disablist remarks.

We feel disablist remarks are not dealt with swiftly or fairly.

We feel that posts we report are not dealt with I the same way as other isms.

That's how we feel.

Also discussed.

We are knowledgable. We are experienced. We do know what we are talking about.

We are not looking for a fight.

We are looking for solutions.

We will quote examples of disablism
That we see about the boards. We can't discuss disablism on MN without doing that. That is not making it a TAAT or going after an individual poster. It's discussing disablism.

What was also discussed.

Please be aware that this is a thread about disablism and done posters may be I
Packed by disability. Pleas bear this in mind when responding.
Please do not deny additional consideration or allowance.
The law says people with disability CAN be treated more favourably.
If you find that makes you feel resentful, that's isn't the thread for you. People who have disabilities/are impacted by disability already have enough crap going on.

Found you.

So here is what was discussed.

Disablism is both overt and covert.

Covert disablism is not always recognisable to those not impacted by disability.

For example:

"My colleague doesn't pull ha weight because he is a carer for his disabled child"

Is disablist.

"How can I support my colleagues so that he can be both a carer for his disabled child and a valued contributor to our team?"

Isn't disablist.

It's often subtle but disablism
Is there.

Some of us can see it and we point it out. Not necessarily to have a ho but to say let's not stereotype, let's stick to what the law says.

Quite often other posters will disagree and say it's not disablist, you are seeing something that isn't there.

That is very annoying.

It's dismissive of our concerns and denying disablism. Jay ci's you can't see it yourself peanut mean other most experienced posters might actually know better. Please do t dismiss or deny us. We are trying to make things better.

TBC

I'm sad it was deleted. There was a lot of food for thought in amongst the derailment etc. I'll lurk on this one in the hope of learning more.

I agree with fanjo. It got derailed and it got back on track.

Fanjo is right then. Wtf is the point? There were enough constructive posts to reply properly to that thread
I give up.

Thread deleted
Message from MNHQ: Hi all,

Thanks for the many many reports about this thread. We've had a look and it does seem to have been well and truly derailed.

We do think the best course of action is to remove this thread.

Please do start another thread in Site Stuff about the OP but please do stop the personal attacks and nastiness.

MNHQ