I am still Spartacus

Blimey, Beyond. I googled for that Sage GID test and spent an irritable hour doing it. The options were so insanely biased, there wasn't a decent answer for many questions. Gender stereotypes and autogynephilia infected at least half the questions.
Surprise surprise:
Your Raw Score is: -395, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous
Your appearance is Androgynous
Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.
You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.
You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.
You indicated your were born Female.
ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual

Actually I'm a middle-of-the road woman. But, hey, can I get some Androgyny injections?

Applauds Krop

I was googling just now to try to find out when the 'T' was added, and whether it always stood for 'transgender' (I had assumed till recently it was 'transsexual' till recently, as that's been a real thing for decades) - but most of the hits returned are about taking the T out of LGBT, some of them from the T side. There's a change.org petition which is clear on why from their POV, but it's framed as coming from a group of LGB people so not sure if ok for heteros to sign up to it? (can't remember if it's ok to link to petitions, easy to find 'drop the T' )

powerful post, Krop. MN needs to be open for business for people like you who who need plain truth not gaslighting.

I am still Spartacus.

I think MNHQ has an unparalleled opportunity to facilitate and even champion a desperately-needed public debate and discussion about this issue, which is leading to healthy children being set on a path to sterilisation and bodily mutilation.

There is no such popular debate at the moment. The current discourse on TV and in the popular press is about "brave" kids or middle aged men "changing gender". Someone needs to propel the other side of the argument into the mainstream before Maria Miller gets her way with legislation which will remove women safe spaces and more.

I believe that the coup by autogynephiles was succeeding in adding the "T" to LGB. No right-thinking person is against LGB rights and now it is LGBT then people go along with the T part automatically.

I don't feel like a woman, I just feel like me. I have no idea what 'feeling like a woman' feels like.

I am a woman because chromosomes. I could not change this if I tried.

I am not transphobic.

I am still Spartacus, and I will not stand by whilst women are silenced.

And additionally, the more I thought about it, the more I could see a parallel between the working class struggle being usurped by hyper-individualist liberalism, and women's struggle being usurped by hyper-individualist liberalism.

If the trans lobby continues in the way it does, women will go the same way the working class have (divided and voiceless, with little to no resources,) in the recent past - but that's another (political) thread entirely.

Delurked a few days ago.

I used to support TAs. I'm a lefty of course, I believe you should let people live and let live, that people should have equal rights, and that oppressed people need to be liberated and helped by showing solidarity. I used to say "gender is preformative" without knowing what it meant because I wanted to show solidarity.

Then one day I was told I'm not a real woman by a MtT because I never felt like a woman and he always had. I was a tomboy and he had always liked pink dresses. I didn't know what "feeling like a woman" was supposed to be, so he told me I was A-gender and that he was more of a woman than I was.

I doubted my material reality for a year. Maybe I was A-gender? Maybe I was a man trapped in a woman's body? I always enjoyed typically boyish activities as a child and hated being a girl, after all. Who wants to wear uncomfortable tights and be forced to play with dollies? It properly fucked me up until I realised:

"No, this is gas-lighting"

I am a woman because I am a human adult female. I do not "identify" as such. Society treats me as a second class citizen because of my biology.

Gender is not "innate". It is not "preformative". It is "prescribed" by patriarchal notions of masculinity and femininity and is an oppressive tool to put us all, but especially women, into boxes into which we will never fit. They are ill fitting clothes. They erase diversity and personality into bland hegemony.

People should be free to push the boundaries and, ultimately, try to break down the bars of the jail called "gender" in which we have sent to. I support trans people in doing so. But we are all born male or female, and I see nothing progressive or liberating coming out in denying that.

A man is a human adult male.
A woman is a human adult female.
There is no such thing as a lesbian with a penis.

I am Spartacus.

Still Spartacus. And apparently (thanks to the Sage test!!) I am now ftt - so now you have to listen to my viewpoint or you are being transphobic and LITERALLY KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you derxa
And thank you oscar for starting these threads.

HemlockIsSpartacus
I replied to the other thread along similar lines.. There are some who do not want bottom surgery. It doesn't alway produce desired results. My ex thought having top surgery was imperative. Passing as female is consistent with and alleviates gender dysphoria to a degree. Youtube is full of videos talking about being MTT Lesbians expecting women to continue to sleep with them. I was told it validates their womanhood. Its the holy grail. Google female penis.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/2720620-Thoughts-on-MNHQs-response-to-the-Spartacus-thread?watched=1&msgid=63341569#63341569

( Re MTT are not men is dresses. 'MTT are not "men in dresses" for goodness sake. Stop being hysterical!)

'Experience taught me that some definitely are which is where the umbrella LGBTI is deceiving. These terms are all separate but have been appropriated under the same banner. Equality for all is the favoured outcome I agree.
That means women and children should have a voice. Also read up on how synthetic hormones and blockers affect the system and minds of children, with physical outcomes such as blood clots a reality.

Due to the nature of how MTT surgery is performed it sometimes results in fistulas, the constant need to be vigilant for infections and its not an exact science. Detransitioning can be a nightmare too. '
Whats going to happen to the young Jazz's of the world when they are faced with the next step. Our children are guinea pigs.They admit their baseline is too general and they cannot give 100 % reliable outcomes for children who are given synthetic hormones and blockers. They also admit cross sex hormones change the way the brain works so the 70-80% of kids who normally outgrow their transgender feelings may not do so after using hormones.

Its better to allow children the freedom to express themselves with no societal repercussions that to medically intervene until more studies have been done.
Thats why children are not allowed to drive, vote etc. They are not fully mature.

I missed the first thread as I was on holiday. I have nothing to say which hasn't been said, undoubtedly more eloquently, by others.

I am Spartacus.

makeslogicalsensetome2 It's an extension of cotton ceiling isn't it? Because I'd put money on this being a MTT led petition, and most likely MTT who like to pretend that they are lesbians.

I missed the first thread.

I am Spartacus.

HemlockIsSpartacus There are some who believe non-disclosure is ok. Having been up close to this I am not surprised at the petition.

verdict.justia.com/2015/06/18/is-there-a-moral-duty-to-disclose-that-youre-transgender-to-a-potential-partner

Asking questions is not violence. Making women and children move over make room without asking them first is self serving and egotistical in my opinion. Men are not being asked to do it .

MTT worry male bathrooms are not safe because men may assault them. Is anyone making men be accountable, and scoot over to make room for Trans people in the same way women are expected to?

Add to that only a small percentage actually have bottom surgery and there is no need to wait years to change their ID anymore. People don't have to present in a specific gender uniform and we are not allowed to ask as its taking away from their authentic experience. No wonder people are confused.

I am delurking. dontrustcharisma's post made me jolt for the sheer infuriating, frustrating helplessness of those women in the face of a man laughing at the discomfort he was causing. Being allowed to cause. Being encouraged to cause.

I am Spartacus.

disclosing their gender? I think s/he means 'sex'. Anyway... 2 supporters so far... presumably indicative of the fact that most trans people are decent human beings who would be appalled at deceiving someone into a sexual act.

How is a law which applies to everyone, protects everyone, 'transphobic'?

Also Spartacus.

Thank you fellow women for this fight. I am not alone in my biology. I thank all of you for having more energy than me to fight this.

Hemlock

Still Spartacus, though I'm pissed off at being female at the minute.

Dreadful PMT symptoms that have been going on for 2 weeks 'cause I'm also heading in to Perimenopause, add to this a raging UTI that seems to have been caused by some gyny investigations that has defied 2 lots of antibiotics, and I'm 90% sure I'm also developing Thrush. . . .

Oh the joys of being a woman

And then I read 'A different view to "I am Spartacus" and my oh my do I get the rage..............

Hemlock

That's absolutely grim.

Have we all seen this yet? Petition to change the Sexual Offences Act so that deceiving someone into performing a sex act will no longer be considered an offence. But no.. women aren't at risk from these idiots at all..

It is very important that people understand the difference between sex and gender in order to support young people like my daughter. For people like you Alive I am Sparticus.