I am still Spartacus

Thanks Pacific, good to know.

venus I think you can sign it so your name isn't shown.

Widen the boundaries of your sex. Do not dictate the norms of mine.

I am MrsKSpartacus.

And you're wrong that no one gives a shit what is said on mumsnet. Awareness raising is crucial. As more and more people discuss the issues without censorship, they will actually see the reality of transing children etc rather than the media's propaganda.

Don't you agree that it's worrying that women don't feel able to express their view freely about something which deeply concerns them? And it's not your place to hector them into signing publicly if they are worried about the consequences. Good for you, if you aren't. And it might be helpful if, as I said, you could actually encourage people to sign rather than make snide comments about it.

No I don't. I signed it.

Then maybe you could try not to "encourage" people to sign in such a sneery judgemental way? it's only got 127 signatures, as you "helpfully" pointed out on another thread. Don't pretend that you fully support it, that's just disingenuous. And you know full well why people won't use their real names. They're afraid of real life consequences. I think that's maybe what should concern you more. Don't you agree?

It's got sod all to do with being goady. It's an opportunity to actually be heard. No-one gives a shit what is said on MN- it's not important.

This petition could be but so far it's got 300 signatures.

How deeply goady, Comejoin. What point do you imagine you are making? Yes, isn't it great that women feel scared to express these opinions about things which concern them using their real names?

Where is everyone when it comes to signing the petition mentioned above?

I am Spartacus Autisticus.

(Paraphrasing Ian Drury.)

Has everyone on this thread seen and signed the relevant petition in the 'petitions' section?

I am Spartacus too. De lurking in solidarity.

I am a woman.

I am not cis.

I am Spartacus

Delurking to say I am Spartacus too. And thank you fellow women for articulating so eloquently what I believe. I've rarely seen such wonderful and intelligent discussion on Mumsnet

I am still Spartacus and this whole mess is ludicrous. It's a nasty sneaky way of trying to claw back the little women have won for themselves over the last three or four decades.

I will not be silenced, I will not allow anyone to tell my two year old little boy that wanting to play with his teddy bears and my sparkly handbags means he's actually a girl in the wrong body.

How have we gotten to a place where gender is so tightly defined again? It's so very damaging and I fear a whole generation of special snowflakes with aggressively right on parents will suffer because of this. In the words of a pp;

Widen the boundaries of your sex. Do not dictate the norms of mine. If you feel unsafe in male spaces because you have chosen to have a feminised appearance then that is awful, and wrong, but you need to tackle this by tackling male violence and entitlement, not by displaying that same male violence and entitlement by imposing your male body on my safe space

Shame on you MN for not engaging with the issue at stake - there's an important debate that's not being had and you could so easily facilitate it...

Still Spartacus.

Widen the boundaries of your sex. Do not dictate the norms of mine. If you feel unsafe in male spaces because you have chosen to have a feminised appearance then that is awful, and wrong, but you need to tackle this by tackling male violence and entitlement, not by displaying that same male violence and entitlement by imposing your male body on my safe space.

YY and Y.

I am Spartacus.

I am Spartacus.

I don't use MN very often but have been lured back by the Spartacus threads and wish to express my admiration for all those who have written so eloquently.

My concern at present is for the kids growing up in a society that feels so very regressive in so many ways. How did we go from 'pink stinks' and empowering girls to wear what they want, study what they want and be what they want - to this. Where girls who don't like pink or playing with Barbies are told they are really boys, and where boys who do like pink and sparkles are taken to a doctor and told they are 'gender-fluid'.

I can think of no earthly reason that a 6 year old should know what the term 'gender-fluid' means, let alone describe themselves that way.

Well-meaning parents who buy into this are then convinced that the right way to deal with it, is to encourage their child to switch gender. How does a child walk that back, if they realise later that they were wrong. They do actually feel 'like a girl', however that feels?

I'm not transphobic. I don't hate transwomen. I don't wish them harm. I don't think transwomen are women. They are transwomen.

I am a woman.
I am not cis.

I am still Spartacus.

Still Spartacus

Still Spartacus

Sparty McSpartyface, me.

I listened to R4, an interview with a perfectly sensible sounding 10 year old boy, Leo, excitedly awaiting puberty blocking drugs so that he could stop his ovaries from turning him into a woman.

His mother had spotted that he was trans at nursery. She has worked hard to support him in his and, not her own, somewhat attention seeking and fashionable choices.

I mentioned on the other thread that my daughter was sure that she was a rabbit at nursery. The child was mute for a solid six months (would only communicate if called "Blossom" and then only by wriggling her nose) and refused to walk on her first day of school - she hopped into class. As a protest of not being allowed to go to Watership Down for an education.

At no point did I think our daughter was trans-species. I thought she was a normal, if annoying, 4 year old kid with a healthy, obsessive imagination.

Children are not to be taken literally.

"Do I even need to say it?" - BeyondSpartacus

Still Spartacus.