I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

Bambambini - This is an interesting piece by highly influential TW Julia Serano on her dating experiences.

Seriously?

You're posting that on this thread?

I think this is one of the points the OP and others are making here.

To many Mumsnetters It is NOT interesting

And the fact you posted that link on this thread, proves that you just don't get that.

I'm quite sure you didn't mean to come across as arrogant and pushing your interests down the OP's throat, but that's exactly how it looks to me.

And you're certainly not the only MNetter to have done this on various threads, that are not about trans issues/women's issues in relation to trans gender people.

It's the equivalent to the OP starting a thread about formula feeding and being given an 'interesting' link about breastfeeding, when she's stated she's just not interested.

Fuck sake. It would have been nice to have a separate area for trans threads. Back to opening threads, rolling eyes and clicking hide thread ad nauseum.

Yeah, thanks cote, you might want to correct Izzy too if that's the case
"You say preaching, I say educating".
No? Thought not.

Thanks Iona. Glad sense and freedom of speech prevails on MN

How does giving something a separate topic amount to restricting freedom of speech? Are MN restricting freedom of speech on disability by having a separate SN topic?

And for those that think that trans issues don't affect them? If you have children or grandchildren, this article shows different. If it is accurate of course.

nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/07/whats-missing-from-the-conversation-about-transgender-kids.html

This is an interesting piece by highly influential TW Julia Serano on her dating experiences. She doesn't seem too happy with her luck In dating lesbians and refers to them throughout as cis dykes (because they aren't interested in her) . It perhaps does give an insight in how some TW are a bit bitter against women.

"they believe they are educating the ignorant raising awareness "

I corrected that sentence for you, Kimmy. You are welcome.

Julia Serano, from and earlier post where folk said about an random trans person on Twitter. JS is much more than a random person on Twitter. Isn't she like the Germaine Greer for Transfolk and followerd and listened too b a large audience?

poor the anti transactivist lobby do not want a separate space because they believe they are educating the ignorant. They do not need a safe space as MN is their safe space.

Report them, then. That is the topic that is supposed to be safe.

Debaters on the second thread on the Parents of trans children^ topic quite clearly did not get that memo, anorexia issues aside, OP got totally ambushed on that thread.

"another part want a separate area to encourage debate and a safe space"

Erm... Who exactly is that "part" of MN?

Debate on these issues is raging in 5 separate threads on any given time and doesn't really need to be "encouraged" imho.

And what kind of "safe space" do you think this subject needs? Parents of trans children and trans MNers already have safe spaces, where those who want to debate stay away from.

Presumably because if a separate area is created then you will get hoards of posters popping up going "trans section is that way" or reporting threads and demanding they be moved. It's not like S&B or breastfeeding where people don't mind if a thread is elsewhere - they might say "try S&B you might get better responses" but they won't push it whereas I think trans threads would be pushed.

What usual said.

Right so a part of MN want a separate area for trans discussions so they can ignore it and another part want a separate area to encourage debate and a safe space (to coin a phrase) for women to discuss. But it's not even on the table?
Why?

Thanks Iona. Glad sense and freedom of speech prevails on MN

No it's on the thread about the MNHQ response to the Sparticus thread sparkling. Kate has been on tonight trying to explain MN's view (in short, pushing us onto one side could mean blanket bans when we are trying our best to give you freedom of speech dammit).

Is that on this thread Kimmy? I scrolled back but can't see it, and there's no 'MN have commented' at the top. Scrolling back I noticed there have been loads of deleted posts though.

why can you just not open trans threads or if you do close them again and move on?

But if people post a style and beauty question in chat they are pointed to style and beauty where posters seek out and want to talk about that stuff. Same for Christmas, feminism, celebs, SN, relationships and other topics.

I see this as the same - a space/section for people who want to talk about trans stuff. Is that not the point of the boards?

Oooh just coming on to post that myself kimmy

^ re creating a trans section to put all the threads into...
Katemumsnet 19.13
"There are no plans for this currently - and this isn't the kind of thing we'd do unless there was a pretty broad consensus in favour."

Still no comment from HQ on this? As previous posters have said, they are probably busy trying to work out who will have the unsavory task of dealing with yet another Site Stuff thread.

It's simple HQ, just create a Trans Discussion topic and move any thread that is started elsewhere "for traffic".

I think it's rare for anything requested in Site Stuff to actually be granted. The frequent requests for a Hide Poster option never have been.

It doesn't mean you can't ask though and gauge opinion.