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I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

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DioneTheDiabolist · 31/08/2016 22:08

Dear MNHQ, I am pissed off with all the Trans threads. I understand that you don't wish to stifle debate/free speech and all that shit, so I propose 4 threads where all trans posts can be hidden go.

A Fuck Trans thread. For posters who hate that people are trans.
A Yay Trans thread. For posters who wish to support trans people.
A Trans Bunfight Club thread. For posters on the other two threads who want to have a bit of a ruck.
And a What MNHQ Have To Say About Trans Threads thread. For, well I think you get my drift.

All other trans posts on the site can be deleted, no other threads can be started and I can enjoy the site more.

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 01/09/2016 21:42

That's not what the thread is about. Check the title. But nice try.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:39

Your distain for opinions on this site is clear Ego

Bizarre - here we are discussing trans threads and where a parent could find information for their DD and you are derailing by having a go at me.

Do you think there should be more debate in the LGBT section for parents looking for information and discussion on puberty blockers

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 01/09/2016 21:37

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Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:36

judy

Cross post. I would hope that a parent would try and find as much balanced information out there. I suspect it can be hard finding balanced and informed debate.

Maybe there should be an area for this - as well as trans threads elsewhere.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:34

I don't think I have seen you properly engaging with anyone

Personally I don't care whether you have or not. Your opinion on how I engage on here is of zero importance to me.

One child who's not ended up going down a road of unnecessary medication and surgery to get to someone it is not possible for her to get

I agree that it's important to discuss this - and to hear from different sources. I hope things work out for her.

There is the LGBT children section - but I suspect that is not the area where such debate takes place. Maybe it should - or would that be too controversial?

If a parent had a child who was potentially going through such issues, where would it be easiest to find balanced information?

There could be threads on Chat - where you could chance upon it

Or there could be debate on a trans topic with balanced information?

MN is very good at specialised topic areas - but I don't think the LGBT children area is an area where issues like puberty blockers are debated. I think it's more support.

JudyCoolibar · 01/09/2016 21:33

RiverTam, the posts you mention probably justify having a separate topic. If you have a daughter who wants to be trans and you want to find out more about it, it would be very useful to know where to look for information and views rather than relying on the possibility of something useful coming up in Chat or AIBU, and indeed being able to recognise the thread as being about trans matters.

DioneTheDiabolist · 01/09/2016 21:31

Trans topic threads will still appear in Active. Just not my Active or anyone else's who don't want to see it.

Why is this problematic?

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RiverTam · 01/09/2016 21:23

There is a poster on the 'alternative to Spartacus' thread who describes (I'm putting this in a nutshell) how information she learnt from the MN trans threads has meant her DD has been kept off puberty blockers and the like, and how 4 years on her DD is in a much better place.

That is why these threads need to be kept on the main boards and not shunted off to the side. One child who's not ended up going down a road of unnecessary medication and surgery to get to someone it is not possible for her to get.

That's how important it is.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:19

But you don't like feminists much, that much is clear

But - for the record - there are some posters on here who I do not like and who I try and avoid when they post. Some of them are feminists.

I am sure the feeling is mutual.

I have no doubt other people have posters they do not like.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:17

Some activists bully others.Start threads on Reddit about posters. Repeatedly try and silence people. Are offensive,

And some aren't. Don't try and say all activists are the same. Not all feminists are like you that.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:15

But you don't like feminists much, that much is clear

I thought there were all different kinds of feminists - just as there different kinds of activists. I thought that was pretty clear from the discussions here - some activists are great, thoughtful, communicative whilst some go in all guns blazing and don't listen to other people.

IzzyIsBusy · 01/09/2016 21:14

Your not the biggest moaner on here Ego don't worry SmileWink

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 01/09/2016 21:12

Depends what hat you have on. But you don't like feminists much, that much is clear

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:10

All you do is complain

I am sure some people on here are very much aware of my posting on one of the 'bullshit' threads and have appreciated hearing from a transwoman expressing some of what things are like.

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 01/09/2016 21:08

It goes like this
You have answered the question with your own OP Dione

You
I understand that you don't wish to stifle debate/free speech and all that shit

You
All other trans posts on the site can be deleted, no other threads can be started and I can enjoy the site more

IzzyIsBusy · 01/09/2016 21:07

Looking at the sparti thread there are many posts from people who were not aware of how trans issues can affect them until they came across the thread. Same for the bullshit one. Posters likely clicked as these types of thread are in active, AIBU and chat. They thought trans issues didnt affect them like leccy does but because the threads were on the most used topics they caught the posters attention.
If there was a trans topic then many posters who didnt think the issues affected them would not read them.
As pp said it feels like just another way to silence women and shove them and their silly concerns in a corner.

Thats why i dont want a trans topic.

MorrisZapp · 01/09/2016 20:53

And the OP has misunderstood the recent debate if she thinks that the two opposing sides are about hating trans people's existence versus supporting them.

DioneTheDiabolist · 01/09/2016 20:52

For those who don't want a Trans Topic, why not?

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MorrisZapp · 01/09/2016 20:51

'dare to disagree'

The three worst words in online debate.

The five worst words are

'daring to have an opinion'.

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 01/09/2016 20:43

Awomen

Brilliant.

(God will strike me down now)

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almondpudding · 01/09/2016 18:43

There are huge numbers of things I agree to disagree on. I don't need everyone who still wants to discuss it to not do so or have their own section. I don't just don't read those threads.

7Days · 01/09/2016 18:12

Agreeing to disagree is all very well in a debate, but how does that work in the RL?
There are a lot of people from all across the spectrum of opinion for whom this is real and personal. So there needs to be a solution, it's not going to get boring for them

CoteDAzur · 01/09/2016 18:08

Agreement, no. It's not likely because one side is talking about biology textbooks & dictionaries, and the other is talking about feelings and puzzling dogma such as "That is a 'female penis' - because it's owner says so". It's like the faithful quoting Bible vs atheists quoting science books on Big Bang & Evolution. There is no middle ground because the pints of reference are irreconcilable.

Raising awareness, absolutely yes. As the recent Spartacus thread has shown.