I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

This is happening in the US NOW.

Well would you like your teenage daughter in a changing in a locker room with a boy with a fully functioning cock. Most transwomen (men) are still attracted to females

Bad enough to change in front of other girls at that age. And that is it at the most innocent scenario

It's niche now but it's beginning to have an impact here in the UK and before we commit to any new legislation, we'd like a discussion of the issues that concern us. If it all goes in the direction suggested, this is going to impact on our ability to provide funding for women's health issues, how we educate girls, how we report on issues that affect women and girls solely, whether women will be able to compete in sport and on and on it goes.

We need government to understand the possible consequences before we pass legislation that we cannot undo. It doesnt involve vilifying transwomen but women are rightly angry that they are being silenced and being told theres no debate to be had.

Too late to type. Sorry for tbe fat finger typos.

Problem is half the time they are not secret.

Tara Hudson was a violent criminal who noasted about her penis on her website. Once convicted Tara demanded to go in to a womens prison. Nothing secret about Taras penis.

Daniel Muscato has declared homself a women. However he still has his pwnis, beard, suite and male privilidge. So not a secret penis either.

I'm learning on this thread, and I'm glad I've stuck with it.
I still think the entire topic is rather niche. There's so many other things I worry about, my health, finance, career, children, parents, relationships.... I just can't find the head space to worry about secret penises sneaking into women's prisons. Should I feel bad about that? Not sure.

I am afraid Dion that once you start a thread in an open forum you have little control over it or how it progresses. Especially when you post about such a hot well debated topic......but maybe you knew that already

Don't you think someone should be standing up for the rights of women in prison who have no choice, Judy?

Can I request a Trans Meh thread for those of us who care neither here nor there, where we can have a nice cup of tea and wait for all this to blow over?

Judy
But it IS happening in the US now, mandated by Obama. Self declared transwomen (trangirls?) boys in girls locker rooms etc. Where the US goes, we will follow.

If state authorities don't comply, they are being threatened with losing all their funding. What do you think it going to happen?

In my view leccy it's not that there are outliers on the internet. You can always find something on the internet to shock you.
Why this is different is that these rather extreme views are being listened to, and policy is changing because of it.
Nobody is upset about ordinary transexuals living their life the way they want, they don't tend to harm anyone and they should be protected from discrimination.
But you have rapists being put into a women's prison - what could possibly go wrong in this situation? Why not, if they feel they are women and wear dresses,that means they are women? I can't remember exactly who, but the body that oversees psychiatric care in prison has expressed concern about the amount of violent or sex offenders who are discovering they are trans after sentencing and demanding entry to the women's estate.

There are just massive loopholes all over the place

Look at Stephonknee. This 50 yr old man left his wife and six kids, and now identifies as a 6 yr old girl, lives with 'foster parents' and enjoys an incestous relationship with her dad. Ok an outlier from the fringes of the internet, you'd think, but no - advisor on trans issues to the Canadian government.

I think another reason women don't engage is that they see a lot of exaggeration of the threat. In my admittedly limited experience, the trans women I come across in RL tend just to want to get on with living their lives as they want to; they have no desire to have sex with anyone other than fully consenting men and women, they're highly unlikely to end up in prison so the issue of women's prisons doesn't arise, and they have no problem whatsoever with women talking about things like periods and pregnancy that will never affect them directly. They generally do tend to go into Ladies' toilets, where they use them in precisely the same way women do and probably don't even get noticed.

I think someone pointed out elsewhere that many of the threads are based on a fear that it could become law that, essentially, if someone self-declares themselves to be members of the opposite sex that gives them an absolute right to go into safe spaces, and could mean pre-operation transsexuals being allowed to demand entry to rape crisis centres and the like. Frankly I think it is highly unlikely that that is going to be sanctioned by the law in this country in the foreseeable future; people have been going on about it on trans threads on here for ages and during that time there has been precisely no sign that it is about to be adopted into law in the UK. There comes a point when it looks a bit as if people are working themselves up about a threat that is more perceived than real. Hence the fact that threads become very repetitive without getting anywhere.

leccy, there is so much more to the discussion than the concept of a female penis and transwomen as predators. There are issues that affect us all but the discussion isn't being had because it's all about the terf slurs, bathroom issues and misuse of language.

We need to move beyond this but we seem to have set ourselves up to go around and around these issues on MN. Plenty of gender critical women are willing to have an open, honest and respectful debate.

I accused usual of trying to shut down the debate for her belitting post that did not include any form of debate at all.

But people don't have to include any form of debate in their posts. Look all over MN, you'll see posts with no element of debate in them. Although arguably expressing a view in the manner Usual did is debating. Either way, it really is stretching it to say that a post like hers is trying to shut down the debate.

I guess it's the aggresive agenda pushing I dislike.

What agenda is that exactly leccy?

Have we got any hard facts on how many transwoman-with-a-penis types are deliberately invading so-called safe spaces?
Is it completely prevalent now that you can't even get changed at the gym without a willy with a wig on waving at you? Or is this all just a storm in a teacup?

So we are only allowed one topic to be nasty and all other topics and discussions must be flowery and light?

That is so blatantly not what I said, Izzy, that I'm not sure there's much point engaging with you on the point.

I still don't get why clicking into a thread, finding it's not for you, and clicking out is so onerous.
Maybe we can all unite behind the banner Ban Ambigous Thread Titles Now!
(Obviously, someone else can spell the hard words on the actual banner)

This is not a debate thread. It is a request thread.

Natural progression.

That's you told, Dione. Best sit down like a good girl now

RiverTam Thu 01-Sep-16 21:23:32
"There is a poster on the 'alternative to Spartacus' thread who describes (I'm putting this in a nutshell) how information she learnt from the MN trans threads has meant her DD has been kept off puberty blockers and the like, and how 4 years on her DD is in a much better place.

That is why these threads need to be kept on the main boards and not shunted off to the side. One child who's not ended up going down a road of unnecessary medication and surgery to get to someone it is not possible for her to get.

That's how important it is."

^ This.

This is not a debate thread. It is a request thread.

Natural progression.

And stop waving the "affects all women" card. Most women in RL could not care less. Most women on MN could not care less.

That is sad. But good. It means that these women have not yet experienced a transwomen with a penis invading their safe space or their life and i hope they never do.

At the end of the day the errosion of womens rights affects all women. Just because it hasnt affected you yet doesnt mean it wont.

Any disagreement is "silencing", "shutting down the conversation", or most ludicrously still, "gaslighting".

I highlighted nothing of the sort.

I accused usual of trying to shut down the debate for her belitting post that did not include any form of debate at all.
I also only used the word silencing in my explanation of why i dont think it should have its own topic. Also i dont think i have said gaslighting once.

Twist my posts all you like it just proves that you are not capable of coming up with a half way decent reason posters can simply not read trans threads.