Are we allowed to talk about women and/or lesbians?

Judy - thank for posting what I was going to say.

If pp think that Ego keeps making threads all about her, how about pp drop the insinuations and accusations? The last thread went wonky over the use of "they" as a sweeping generalisation or preferred pronoun, but almost everyone was responsible for us all going down that particular rabbit hole.

I didn't see Special's deleted posts but I hope that she is allowed to return (if she wants to). I didn't realise that the OP had been banned, but frankly I'm not surprised - it's just not on to go around accusing people of reporting to MNHQ and demanding to know who did. It was bullying, aggressive, needless and pointless

'referring repeatedly to the transwoman in question as a man'

Ada wells doesn't identify as a transwoman? I'm sure I saw Ada is gender fluid or something along those lines? As in part of the trans umbrella but not a trans woman? Hence they/them/their?

The misgendering did not continue after the thread was reinstated. There was a lengthy discussion about the use of 'they' and 'othering' but no misgendering of Ada Wells or any other trans individual.

As Mrs DeVere so eloquently put it, women are being moved from 2nd class to 3rd. Mumsnet appears to be consistently protecting anything which is trans related before women's issues and concerns.

Deleting the whole thread means many didn't get to see some very eloquent and truthful posts, Mrs DeVere's stood out for me too. I am so sick of women being pushed aside, yet again.

I think a thread actually started on the subject of othering might be beneficial?

Slow handclap for ego who has managed, yet again, to make it all about her.

apparently we are not allowed to complain about a person referring to women with vaginas as cuntscum because failing to use "she"/"they" etc is literally the worst crime you could commit on the internet

This is quite a major misrepresentation of what happened. MNHQ initially specifically posted saying they wanted to keep the discussion going and asking people to stop misgendering. Not only did some people continue, but the thread then degenerated into some particularly nasty bullying of Ego in particular (and Ego was not the only person who objected to the use of sweeping terminology in describing trans people). The issue about misgendering was also not restricted to the use of pronouns: the poster who got banned, in particular, was very specifically referring repeatedly to the transwoman in question as a man - I noticed it because it kind of hit you in the face, so it would appear that some people have selective memories. I suspect that mjingaxx was banned because she was one of the worst bullies, such that a number of people who hadn't previously got involved expressed their disgust. Just before you all start on me, I will say for the record that I didn't actually report anything, but I was seriously considering reporting the bullying when the thread got pulled anyway.

Thanks to the posters who replied to me.
We can discuss the persons actions, yes. But we mustn't put it into any kind of broader context or notice any current trends as this is 'othering'.
But it is a current trend surely, this misogyny toward women, it wasn't around when I was growing up (misogyny obviously was, but not this particular brand!). Ada represents an extreme example of this but if they were a lone voice I doubt they would have been able to sustain their position for long.

Another awful decision by MNHQ

Sorry, not helpful. It's prolonging the derail and I take it back. Can we move on and ignore.

Lol at making shit up.

good grief ego! This thread is.not.about you. Please can you let it develop to maybe go back to the point of the original thread which was about freedom of speech, university reponsibility regarding freedom of speech vs hate speech, the changing face of LGBT activism etc. Can this one be allowed to not be about you please?

Ego, I am not accusing you of anything, I am pointing out your repeated behaviour ptterns. If you don't agree, that's fine, but I will continue to say what I see.

I'm getting pretty fed up of entire threads debating important women's issues being deleted wholesale because of individual posts which contravene talk guidelines.

That thread was covering the failure of a University to censure an elected representative of minority groups for attacking individuals with that group.

As Mrs DeVere so eloquently put it, women are being moved from 2nd class to 3rd. Mumsnet appears to be consistently protecting anything which is trans related before women's issues and concerns.

People should have their preferred pronouns respected. That does not mean that lesbian, gay and heterosexual women should be 3rd class citizens to men and transwomen.

This is a site full of women who come from all walks of life. This is the modern community for sharing information to help us learn and grow. To know what is not acceptable, to be reinforced that you should be treated kindly, respected, heard by your partner, parents, employer, children. Without women sharing and communicating vulnerable women will never know that they deserve more. That a lesbian is not an awful person for not wanting to have a sexual relationship with someone who has a male body. That each of us has the right to decide who we share our bodies with, that your dignity is important at home, in medical situations and even if someone else is comfortable it doesn't mean you are wrong.

Mumsnet I appreciate that it is much easier to pull whole threads than delete posts, but please consider the impact of silencing women with valid concerns on issues that are continually being shouted down.

What, was the OP of the deleted thread banned as well?!

I also don't see why the thread had to be deleted. The misgendering had stopped.

In fairness to Ego, she was among the earliest posters on the thread to condemn the comments of Ada Wells. I went back and reread the beginning before it was deleted. And her points about "they" were to address her sense that it was unfair to blame transactivists and trans people as a group. And there were some sweeping statements to that effect early in the thread. You may disagree with Ego's assertions about the views of transactivists as a group, but her statement of those views is not a derailing of the thread, in my opinion.

Ego, this thread is starting to get derailed too.

This is the second thread that I have seen of this ilk in as many weeks.

This debate has raged for years, with lengthy discussion threads on here, a predominantly female site (am I still allowed to say that?)

MNHQ, please, please don't shut this debate down. This is one of the sites where people are allowed to have such discussions freely.

Something has changed since this time last year - I know, because I was following a massive thread on here when I went on hols last August. I know deliberate mis-gendering has always been deleted, and that's fine - but you deleted a whole thread - and the OP was not about pronouns - it was about Edinburgh LGBT. It is so, so important that we are allowed to discuss this.

Just out of interest, can I ask why mjingaxx has been banned?

Was it just because she started a thread that has been deleted?

Ego

It is not about you all the time. Yet you have to make it about you, your thoughts, your feelings and your opinions alllllllllll the time.

You are incapable of discussing these issues. It's tedious and frustrating.