Are we allowed to talk about women and/or lesbians?

I think OP meant this thread as a plea to MNHQ to stop allowing threads about women, and even more specifically about lesbian women, to be deleted on the say so of some reports.

It seems to be going off track here, and despite multiple reports it seems MNHQ haven't seen it yet? Is this another thread about women that's going to end up being deleted? Before MNHQ even respond?

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeezus fucking H Christ.

Is this me-rail still going on?

"So you think that ALL transactivists think women are cuntscum, want to rape them etc etc?"

No, I don't. I also don't think all transactivists think women should give up some of their rights to accommodate transwomen.

But I would really like it if more of the ones who don't were a bit more public about it. I want someone I can stand beside without having to think about defending women's hard won rights.

So the bottom line is that people failed to do the verbal and grammatical gymnastics sufficiently for their conversation about this matter to be acceptable?

I'll put my hand up and say plainly, I don't know how. This is advanced reorganisation of the language and grammar I grew up with. If we are not allowed to talk about this how is anyone going to learn or move towards a more supportive or more socially acceptable view point? As people have said on this thread, trans issue threads are beginning to be actively avoided because people know they have no hope of doing it right or managing to express an opinion without being jumped up and down on for not doing it couched in sufficiently sensitive terms. Surely that is going to create negative impressions by itself?

And there is a difference between making a clear, valid and helpful point and making it well - which was done - and then endlessly jumping up and down on that point until the thread is completely derailed and has turned into a personal argument between a small group. That's killed many threads this year on contentious issues of all kinds and made them subjects that can't be talked about, and I wish that could be better moderated without other posters fleeing the scene to escape the carnage and learning to avoid any thread mentioning those subjects, and the important stuff in the thread that many people would have wanted to read ending up deleted with the bunfight.

The overwhelming evidence on these threads is that of misogyny. You're pretty much admitting there are no activists who don't fit the stereotypes.
I'm not going to engage any more because you actually have an incredibly thin argument which is one you use to derail the threads and turn them into the egoshow.

Sorry, reading that back that didn't come across well. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. I just mean what is the definition of a transactivist. As opposed to a transwoman.

I don't know Ego. Maybe. Isn't that what makes them transactivists?

Do something positive then instead of whinging about stereotypes. Find a TRA who isn't a stereotype and give them a platform here so that we can have honest and open discussion.

Not much to ask is it.

I am sure most people would think it's not right to apply such awful stereotypes to a group of people

I would agree with that. But from what I saw of the thread there was a definite separation between transwomen and transactivists. I think any plural 'they' were surely directed at transactivists who seem to have harmful views towards lesbians and not all transwomen.

the fact is that Ada is a man. And most people would agree he's pretty horrible.

Yes!!!! It's really come to something when the above statement is controversial when talking about a male person who calls women cuntscum.

*non misogynistic

Ego, FFS. Instead of feeling persecuted, why not do something positive and show us where the non violent, misogynistic TRAs are so we can support them. And maybe start your own thread that isn't all about you but is all about women

What would happen if 100% of ukip candidates said it? Then "most" would be incorrect.

As I said (also deleted now...) I do not think anyone was using "transactivists" to mean people who campaign against stuff who are trans. They specifically meant - as my quick google search only saw anyone meaning - those who want "TERF scum to die in a fire"

Stereotyping is othering. Tarring everyone with the actions of a few.
Using they in a negative sentence, that is factual, eg
"UKIP (minority group) voters say they do not like the wrong sort of immigration, they wrongly think the country is too full."

If we can't do that, please explain to me how we can talk about groups that do not include ourselves?

I "get" othering, but I do think it's gonna need its own whole thread if any negative use of they is being called it.