Protesting deletions on the thread about trans sex offender

Well Queen that rather proves that you haven't been reading the threads because, despite the attempts of the perpetually and professionally offended to counter every thread by crying offense (I am not referring to you btw) Today's thread was about a current case. Yy certain vocal trans activists would like women to stop speaking about issues like this but whilst we're being silenced, judges, defence solicitors and male criminals* are using 'trans' as an excuse for leniency even in cases of sexual abuse.

*they 'identified' as male when they committed the crimes then became trans in the gap between committing the abuse and being called to court, allowing their defence to claim they were now a 'different' person and shouldn't be held responsible.

No, just bored with people whining about the debate.

You're really all not bored of the trans debate?!

Please let me know how to set up "hide all trans threads and all mentions of trans on threads" and I will willingly do so but they pop up bloody everywhere.

And it's like Groundhog Day in terms of discussion, same things over and over again.

There plenty of threads that hold no interest to me.
I just ignore them

Or you could just not read the threads?

And then you wouldn't be trying to silence other people.

I don't usually come into these debates but I will on this one because TBH I am sick to the back teeth of the word trans coming up in every other bloody thread.

MN HQ can't we just ban the discussion of trans issues on MN or create a separate topic so the rest of us can hide it?

Utterly agree

I am fed up of being asked, nay demanded to accept that it is possible to change sex.

All this trans/non-binary/genderqueer rubbish is simply defining the rest of us against our will. It's insulting and demeaning to all. There are 2 well-defined sexes. As far as gender is concerned, as it's all made-up bullshit anyway perhaps the trans movement and non-binary movement and the feminists band together to end these unecessary constraints on our lives.

But, as per usual, it's the feminists to blame for pointing out the obvious and not agreeing that the emporer is wearing any clothes (even a dress).

Agree with OP completely.

I saw another thread the other day where a lovely lady was very concerned about her dc coming out as trans. She was worried and asking for advice.

Thread got totally derailed by the usual cries of vile and transphobic. Felt really bad for the OP.

It's frightening if you can't state the neutral fact that it is not possible to change biological sex.

I reported.

Haven't seen the thread but if poster have been deleted for stating facts like "you can't change biological sex" that is a change of policy and a very disturbing turn of events.

Has anyone reported this thread to MNHQ so they can comment?

I have not seen the thread, but if these posts are accurate then the deleted posts should!d have been left to stand. The problem with "transphobic" is that it is a very quick way of trying to shut down a discussion.

I am not transphobic; I do not hate or fear people who are deeply unhappy in their assigned birth sex and wish to change gender, however I have legitimate concerns over how some transgender people wish to redefine born women as 'cis-women' as this is considered both reductive and pejorative by many of us. (And sadly, in some cases this is exactly what is intended.)
I am concerned that some MTF transgender people insist they have the right to be in women-only spaces, even though many women who might wish to use these spaces are deeply uncomfortable with their presence due the women's experiences of male violence or sex crimes. I would support widespread installation of unisex/gender neutral bathrooms for example and would happily use them myself. But other women could be unhappy about using them and prefer a women-only space. Likewise, I'm sure many men prefer using male only toilets.
I'm also unhappy at the thought of criminal acts by MTF transgender individuals being officially recorded as being committed by women, and of MTF transgender athletes who have gone through puberty as males competing as women in sport.
And I think all these issues should be discussed freely and openly on Mumsnet without fear of deletion due to complaints by the professionally offended. Disagreement is not offense.

Just checked. I was deleted for stating that you cannot change biological sex.

What a fucking joke.

MN is doing a much better job than most of the Internet is managing at the moment. 90% of the Internet is porn puppies and male conversation and either ignores trans issues or hates women so much that it's just noise. The 10% of the interment women have a voice is firmly and completely pro-trans activist. Not pro-trans, because I'm pro-trans (I'm pro-humans actually), but pro-lying-stupid-weird-dangerous nonsense.

Then there's MN and a few feminist blogs. Please stay open MN, we need you.

I don't usually come into these debates but I will on this one because TBH I am sick to the back teeth of the word trans coming up in every other bloody thread.

MN HQ can't we just ban the discussion of trans issues on MN or create a separate topic so the rest of us can hide it?

Yes UnexpectedBaggage, but what is more disturbing is that now women are silencing women.

Pretty shitty, MNHQ.

Men have been trying to silence us since time began, this is another way of doing it.

My posts weren't deleted but it's ridiculous that one poster was able to derail the entire thread, report others, call them man-haters (is that really not against your personal abuse guidelines MNHQ?) and now feel vindicated because of how the thread has been moderated.

The case in question raises important issues. Yy it involves someone who identifies as transgender but it's bigger and more important than that. It does impact on biological women differently from how it impacts men and transpeople and we should be allowed to say that.

I despair for my daughter if supposedly intelligent women think it is ok to silence other women for stating facts. Biology is a fact. There is no getting away from it. What future is there when people are called names and vilified for stating indisputable facts?

Dress how you want, have whatever surgery you want, call yourself what you want, I don't care. It is all superficial. You can only be born female, you can't appropriate it and get cross when actual females point out facts.

I'm happy to pretend that men are women if that's what makes them happy and comfortable in themselves, I really am, no issues whatsoever with that. What I am not happy about is being forced to believe it unquestioningly and I think that's what these deletions do. You're denying a voice to one whole side of a debate, what is your justification for this MN?