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use of the word 'moron'

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StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 20/07/2016 12:47

could it be banned? do others find it offensive? I have seen it on 3 threads today already, should I report or just ignore? it has come up before and yet still I feel we have learnt nothing when users still put in in their posts. Sad

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MumOfTwoMasterOfNone · 20/07/2016 16:14

Call me whatever hat names you like...as you say, there is no discriminatory connotations. Just as moron doesn't to anyone most likely in living memory on this thread.
A victim because someone used the word moron on a forum, some people must have extremely sheltered lives Hmm

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 20/07/2016 16:10

You could start with, is this a word which has been used to abuse and stigmatize a disadvantaged group, maybe. Errol you are my new hero, so much sense in one post. yes a thousand times to this and anyone who disagrees is an utter trilby Smile
Yes gypsy mongo is bad too imo, mongol was a medical term for a person with Downs and became mong, mongo etc when I was a child it was used often along with spaz to poke fun at people with disabilities and used as an insult against others.

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hazeyjane · 20/07/2016 16:09

A cunt is a part of 50% of the population
A cock is a part of 50% of the population

They are fairly equal opportunity insults, although I prefer arsehole, because everybody has one!

PolterGoose · 20/07/2016 16:08

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hazeyjane · 20/07/2016 16:07

Gipsy, what do you think 'mongitis' means? How would you define that word?

ApostrophesMatter · 20/07/2016 16:07

Apostrophes - your 'belief' based on an absence of your own personal experience of an issue has absolutely no weight versus the evidence of people who actually have experienced the use of this term as abuse.

Both are anecdotal and of equal value, actually.

hazeyjane · 20/07/2016 16:06

If a word used to describe a disability is used as an insult then of course it is offensive, and hurtful to people who have that disability. You are basically saying, 'the worse thing I can think of is someone like that person over there'.

This could be an accepted term like autistic or special needs (eg 'god, that is so autistic', or 'those shoes are very special needs'.....both expressions I have seen on Mumsnet) or a term no longer used (like retarded or moronic).

gillybeanz · 20/07/2016 16:04

Oh, totally agree if "hat" was a word used to bully, humiliate or even just describe a huge amount of disabilities without distinguishing between different symptoms and outcomes, then I hope it would become unacceptable.

GipsyDanger · 20/07/2016 16:03

I don't think we have such a thing as 'polite company' purple.

GipsyDanger · 20/07/2016 15:59

Is mongo bad? As in, (and I have heard this used in jest) "do you have mongitis?"

ErrolTheDragon · 20/07/2016 15:59

You could start with, is this a word which has been used to abuse and stigmatize a disadvantaged group, maybe.

PurpleDaisies · 20/07/2016 15:57

Since it isn't based on disability gipsy I don't find it as offensive as moron. I wouldn't use it in polite company though. Smile

GipsyDanger · 20/07/2016 15:57

You utter trilby 😂 Love it

gillybeanz · 20/07/2016 15:56

The slipper, cane, board rubbers thrown, legs smacked until they bled as a 7 year old, soon healed.
The humiliation, mental abuse, never goes away.

I was involved in a small forum a while back where people posted case studies, if I can find I'll post. Otherwise a quick google with the right words should give you all an indication what it was like.

GipsyDanger · 20/07/2016 15:55

Where do you draw the line through purple, as someone said up thread, they don't like the word 'cunt'. Again, a very very very common word in certain parts 😳
(Honestly we're not as bad as we sound 😟)

PurpleDaisies · 20/07/2016 15:55

I might start using hat as an insult. Or maybe types of hat. "You utter trilby" has a nice ring to it.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/07/2016 15:54

Apostrophes - your 'belief' based on an absence of your own personal experience of an issue has absolutely no weight versus the evidence of people who actually have experienced the use of this term as abuse.

As to the idea that people just shouldn't use the internet ... yeah, lets blame and penalise the victims rather than trying to clean up our little corner of it by simple civility. Hmm

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 20/07/2016 15:51

I might find the word 'hat' offensive how ridiculous, the word hat does not have any history of being used as a derogatory term for a person with a disability Hmm and I didn't ask for it to be banned I asked could it be? which I have since agreed is not feasible. However I would have thought that in this day and age we could find better words to insult someone. there are plenty of words out there that have lost whatever negative connotations they had years ago and moron imo is not one of them. you hat

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ApostrophesMatter · 20/07/2016 15:48

No, not in England, no belt.

PurpleDaisies · 20/07/2016 15:48

The op's point is that some people (this debate pops up often enough to show the op isn't in any way alone) consider moron to be disablist because of it's origins. You think it's a relatively inoffensive word mumoftwo, the op doesn't. Your example of you finding the word "hat" offensive doesn't work because there are no grounds on which it could be offensive and I'm guessing you'd be the only one calling for it to be banned.

There is a reasonable debate to be had about the M word and the op is perfectly entitled to start it.

GipsyDanger · 20/07/2016 15:47

Didn't they have the belt back in the 70/80s, I don't think anyone was having a good time of it

MumOfTwoMasterOfNone · 20/07/2016 15:39

I'm with Gipsy. If you're that offended by a relatively inoffensive word, I would avoid the Internet. You will come across a lot worse. I would also consider it to be your problem, not anyone else's. I might find the word 'hat' offensive and it might result in me being a puking, quivering wreck, but I'm not going to start threads asking for it to be banned Hmm my problem, my extensive therapy bill!

ApostrophesMatter · 20/07/2016 15:34

It's fine for you to say what you believe, no one would say otherwise, that is your experience but it isn't mine.

I grew up in the 50s and 60s and never heard it used as an insult to DCs with learning disabilities. I taught from the 1970s onwards and never heard it used in that way, either. Only ever heard it aimed at adults.

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 20/07/2016 15:34

there again, I guess that depends on the person using them and the context / tone of voice so who knows. I just know I don't like the word or cretin for that matter and I think they still have the negative connotations about learning disabilities whereas many other words don't so why not use a less horrid one eh?

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StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 20/07/2016 15:31

I don't think that it is remotely feasible or desirable to ban all words which hurt ( not merely 'offend') but perhaps it would be possible for a post which contains such terms to be reported and for MN to send an explanation of why it is better to voluntarily avoid them? this actually answered my questions, I asked could it be banned, I actually agree this is not feasible, I still live in hope that such targeted words will become universally unacceptable words. Actually I dislike the whole thing about calling anyone stupid. It feels very brutal and unnecessary, a real attack on a person rather than the words used as a gentle ribbing when someone has done something a bit silly. There again I guess words like foolish, silly, numpty etc all started with poor connotations too but somehow they seem less harsh, more gentle in a less attacking way.

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