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What is Mumsnets definition of transphobia?

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 13:32

That's it really.

Mine would be hate or violence against trans people. Mine would not be "misgendering" or acknowledging transwomen are male and that they are not women.

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OlennasWimple · 08/07/2016 21:35

Ego - I agree, and nearly posted something similar about transphobia being an unsatisfactory term. I looked up a couple of definitions, though, that seem to suggest it has become an all encompassing term for behaviours closer to ageism rather than agephobia (IYSWIM)

So I think we are, for now at least, stuck with it.

But what does it mean in the context of a forum like MN?

I don't disagree with your concerns about othering at all, but think a certain amount of generalization / grouping is inevitable both for short hand and because many MNers will not have trans friends to use as a point of reference . So in the same way I might say "Australians are a funny bunch, aren't they", a pp might use "they" when talking about trans women, say. Context and tone is obviously key

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 21:30

Hmmm if othering means transwomen are not women then so be it.

I don't expect to be called a man, I just expect equal opportunities and respect. Verging over to telling people to denounce biology is a rabbit hole too far.

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GipsyDanger · 08/07/2016 21:29

Or, you could answer some questions you've been asked, preferably without resorting the phrase"all you transphobic people"

What's the saying, if it sounds like a duck, looks like a duck... It's probably a duck Hmm

Egosumquisum · 08/07/2016 21:25

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Thefitfatty · 08/07/2016 21:25

If you're taking estrogen 10 years of training won't do much, and the drug testing/ testing in general at that level wouldn't allow it. Even "biological" women can't compete if a certain amount is testosterone is present cause it's a sign of doping.

Caitlyn Jenner is hardly going to go compete in Rio.

As for transphobic rhetoric, it's everything several of you have been writing. The bull shit about safe spaces, cis, biological differences. I feel like I'm in a tea parlour in 1880 listening to the reasons i can't vote.

Ouriana · 08/07/2016 21:23

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 21:21

Let's get back.

What constitutes a phobia?

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 21:20

Fitfatty (which unfortunately autocorrected as Dittany. Which is so unfitting)
ouriana you're right. Statistically that is incorrect. Because trans women actually experience the highest level of rape in prison, and the highest rates of domestic violence and murder in general.

Not true. Please tell us the source of your stats.

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Thefitfatty · 08/07/2016 21:19

I love that as a feminist I've had to argue for years that biological difference shouldn't stop me from being a police officer, front lines in the military or a politician, but gosh, now I have to acknowledge biological differences when it's "men" wanting to compete against women.

Ouriana · 08/07/2016 21:18

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BertrandRussell · 08/07/2016 21:17

"If they are on estrogen and testing clear for all the steroids the Russian ladies are taking, why the hell not. Just as fair as any of the rest :/"

So a man could train as a man for 10 years, then compete against women?

SuburbanRhonda · 08/07/2016 21:16

I'll just sit back and read from now on

Or, you could answer some questions you've been asked, preferably without resorting the phrase"all you transphobic people".

Thefitfatty · 08/07/2016 21:15

If they are on estrogen and testing clear for all the steroids the Russian ladies are taking, why the hell not. Just as fair as any of the rest :/

Ouriana · 08/07/2016 21:15

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BertrandRussell · 08/07/2016 21:14

Thefitfatty, could you please highlight a piece of transphobic rhetoric?

BertrandRussell · 08/07/2016 21:13

Do you think transwomen should compete against non transwomen in the Olympics?

Thefitfatty · 08/07/2016 21:12

Paraolympians compete in the olympics and there is no such thing as the "female Olympics" but sure, all you transphobic people, please go back to defing transphobia for mumsnet. I'll just sit back and read from now on

SuburbanRhonda · 08/07/2016 21:11

anyone questioning or doubting a persons belief in who they are

How about anyone not being willing to say that trans women are exactly the same as women? Are they transphobic too?

ladyballs · 08/07/2016 21:10

I don't doubt that some trans women believe they are women, fit. It's not transphobic if I don't agree with them

BertrandRussell · 08/07/2016 21:10

"I already said what I thought transphobic is, anyone questioning or doubting a persons belief in who they are"

So you cannot envisage any circumstances where questioning a person's belief in who they we might be necessary?

Thefitfatty · 08/07/2016 21:09

Sorry bertrandrussel this must be the umpteenth millionth thread on trans women I've seen on mumsnet. Seriously, actual rapists and threats to society don't get this much attention!

Ouriana · 08/07/2016 21:08

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BertrandRussell · 08/07/2016 21:07

"But for the love of Pete, stop acting like trans women are public enemy number 1."

Nobody is. But we're talking about transwomen, so they are bound to be th focus.