What is Mumsnets definition of transphobia?

Do what you wish, I don't have anything to prove, or disprove, in this case. You will not change my mind or I yours, the difference is I accept people for who they are, and that makes me happy.

Not read the whole thread because it's painful but fuck I hate these threads. Some posters on MN are fucking horrible to trans people. You can't demand to not be called cis and at the same time deny trans people's rights to choose their own pronouns. There is a difference between clinical accuracy and kindness and on this issue I choose kindness.
And as for the repeated assertions (not just on this thread but on others too) that trans people don't "pass" there are loads that do! You just don't know who they are
Ego, best of luck with your surgery.

As I said Bert, unfounded accusations of bigotry are should be a personal attack, so you should report theirs too...

"Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

What the fuck are you going on about?"

They are accusing me of transphobia. I would very much like them to report my transphobic posts to Mumsnet.

Ego, thank you, and good point regarding the direction of this thread.

But I don't think we can discuss any Trans/transphobia related issues, without properly understanding what we are talking about, the root of the issue.

To me, transphobia is generated because silly men with fetishes are behaving piss poorly, and Transwomen are being confused with them. Without their mysogonistic behaviour, I don't think there would be an issue.

Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

What the fuck are you going on about?

"Who exactly are you trying to convince here, me or you? Methinks she protests too much"

Oh, right. So you don't actually want to have a proper conversation. You just want to snipe from the sidelines. What a waste of fucking time.

Mn rules as they stand say posies "tw are adult males" doesn't break talk guidelines. It is factual and not aimed at one person with the intent to hurt. So, that's why 24 hours later it's still there.

Now if they change their rules, that's another kettle of fish. But as it stands, no problem. So, perhaps all the people shouting about transphobic TERF cis scum (paraphrased) could bear that in mind? No? Thought not.

Who exactly are you trying to convince here, me or you? Methinks she protests too much

Ps, how do you tag someone in MN? So they know you have directed a question at them? Xx

Ego:

just looking for your perspective.

If I understand correctly, you are a Transwomen who has elected to have surgery. Brilliant, well done. I love that you are on MN.

My husband is an abusive weekend "sissy Crossdresser" (his definition) who has lied to me about his fetish for 17 years, tried to bully me into cuckolding, called me bigoted, and has, in my opinion a very mucked up option if what a woman "should be".

How do you feel, as a Transwomen, being lumped together, in terminology only obviously, with him? He also describes himself as Trans.

If I were you, I woul be blooming raging (can you swear on MN?)

Can you see why men like him are causing the problems for Transwomen like you? That being told we have to accommodate his sexual needs is offensive to me?

You tell me what I've said that you think is transphobic. Just tell me. Don't do the playground "Well, if you don't know, then I'm not going to tell you....."

This is the sort of thing that really pisses me off. You just scatter gun accusations

To quote on of my favorite books/film;
are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

Sorry- I didn't mean to post twice. But I am really angry about this.

"What's the saying, if it sounds like a duck, looks like a duck... It's probably a duck hmm"

Yeah, well that's a bloody brilliant contribution to the discussion. Not.

"What's the saying, if it sounds like a duck, looks like a duck... It's probably a duck hmm"

This is the sort of thing that really pisses me off. You just scatter gun accusations.

Well obviously, going by your post on another thread Posie,

*" TheRealPosieParker Thu 07-Jul-16 16:28:45

But transwomen are adult males... i.e. men."*

Which still stands after having been reported for obvious transphobia after more than 24 hours MN have a very loose definition of transphobia.

I don't want to put words in the OP's mouth, but what I would specifically like to know from MNHQ is

1. is rejecting the term "cis" considered transphobic?
2. is pointing out biological fact consisted transphobic?

I think existing talk guidelines on PAs and goady fuckeryness probably cover 1) and 2) used in a demeaning, aggressive or insulting way?