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What is Mumsnets definition of transphobia?

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 13:32

That's it really.

Mine would be hate or violence against trans people. Mine would not be "misgendering" or acknowledging transwomen are male and that they are not women.

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 17:35

Ego. Are you wishing that everyone just lies and say that transwomen are women? You know that's really insulting to women right?

It's not transphobic to understand difference, surely?

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 17:34

When someone is a size 26 I don't see a thin person either.

I am genuinely confused if you think it's transphobic to recognise my own sex.

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 17:34

Saying that MTT don't pass as "women" they look like Transwomen is not transphobic! Surely that's reality?

Most women recognise women.

As an example. Last night my nine year old DD and I were watching five minutes of Americas Got Talent, she asked why that man was pretending to be a lady and she expressed disbelief when the panel apparently hadn't noticed.

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 17:31

One is in a discussion and the other is to an individual.

So I would use the words male bodied, because 70% of transwomen are male bodied and in a discussion about sharing private space I would probably say male, discussing crime rates? again male. I think it's important to reiterate certain aspects of male priviledge, growing up male etc.

But when I meet MTT I say she/her.

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TheRealAdaLovelace · 08/07/2016 17:28

Posie first you say, " in a discussion though I may refer to a group of transwomen as male."...

then you say..." I'm not going to further the gender critical movement by calling them the wrong pronoun and besides it's rude. "

so what is it you are trying to say exactly?

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 17:23

Ego I would of course not misgender a transsexual or any individual to cause harm, in a discussion though I may refer to a group of transwomen as male. And I would not use "they" for a non binary snowflake.

I can respect that if someone is living as a man/.woman then I'm not going to further the gender critical movement by calling them the wrong pronoun and besides it's rude.

But I will not lie about thinking that trasnwomen pass as women, as they don't, none do. I think being a trasnwoman is a worthy identity.

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TheRealPosieParker · 08/07/2016 16:06

Ego. I hope the surgery gives you the peace you seek, however I've read that that is really a huge step in a very hard journey and the next are not so easy either.

I suspect what's happening is that women are getting pig sick of being told that we are merely a state of mind and that brings anger.

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BeyondVulvaResistance · 08/07/2016 15:15

I agree with all those instances being dodgy ground that probably need deleting, but we are frequently getting 'transphobic' thrown at us for, to pick a random example, refusing to be happy with identifying as cis. There's a thread locked at the moment for mn to look into transphobia in it (the one about the piss test), and I've looked and can't see anything that hasn't been left to stand before - no comments about chopping off of bollocks or men in dresses. But a lot of posts (often from new names) shouting how transphobic even having the discussion at all is, throwing insults around and whatever. But now it's locked and discussion has been successfully shut down.

So as I understand it, as we currently have a rule on misgendering (directed at an individual = bad), we currently have rules on transphobia that i think (?) are fair on both 'sides'. But that doesn't stop the constant accusation of mn being the most transphobic place on the Internet on every thread even vaguely related to trans-issues. And rather annoyingly, it's always from 'others' - any time I have seen someone who identifies as trans on a trans thread they have been perfectly reasonable!!!

Good luck for your surgery ego, I hope it goes well Flowers

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