Banning the term "cis"

Cis is a social construct...very often used to imply contempt for non trans and to intimidate, 'other' and exclude people from the debate on the assumption that they are not informed enough to speak.. a bit like TERF, which is a slur exclusive to the female sex used to silence and discredit women who dare to speak about their own lived reality. There is no male equivalent of TERF, even though we all know who's to blame for this insanity. www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/Politics_and_the_English_Language-1.pdf

What do you think the root is Vestal?

My theory is that it is men's womb envy.

That's my theory too.

"To call yourself non-binary or genderfluid while demanding that others call themselves cisgender is to insist that the vast majority of humans must stay in their boxes, because you identify as boxless."

Yes. This is exactly why I find the word 'cis' so offensive.

which means that these mtts who feel like a women actually are behaving in a ultra stereotypically male way i.e. telling women who they and what they should do. So these mtts are, in fact, being more male than born men.

I think you mean "more masculine than regular dudes", but yeah, that's the case, and it is very ironic.
I've met lots of men who never in their lives would have gotten the idea to claim to be female, who were much less masculine in demeanour and appearance than those most prominent MtT.

It's ridiculous, really.

Another one here who rejects the trashy meaningless word "cis".

Let's see if I've got it right. Some transactivists who believe they are women want women who are born female to be referred to as cis - even if many (most?) born females dislike the term or even find it objectionable.

So, what we have is mtts who believe they are women telling 50% of the population they are really cis women, possibly against their will: which means that these mtts who feel like a women actually are behaving in a ultra stereotypically male way i.e. telling women who they and what they should do. So these mtts are, in fact, being more male than born men.

Oh, the irony,

Ah ... Useful, Olenna, thanks. And thanks for considering it again, MNHQ

Pretty sure they can get any of the links they need from this and other threads!

Rather proves the point that women's opinions are irrelevant except where those women have a Y-chromosome and a penis.

Kelley Maloney again? Was the same person wife beating boxer last time the bbc discussed it too? Does Maloney have a vested interest? Return to boxing perhaps?!

Missed a off, but seriously - at least it means they can't blame a load of women just being sore losers

I often wonder if this whole ioc thing is actually an anti-trans thing in disguise...?

OK, I know the bar is set low for the BBC but for them this wasn't bad.

I winced when Kellie Maloney appeared but the presenter actually stayed neutral, which is a nice change. They had opinions on both sides and the tweets they posted were mainly anti.

Well, on the plus side they must have listened to the men on the anti side?
I'll find it on I player later

There were no women on to discuss this topic! How is that balanced?

Thank you for posting the link to that article Vestal - it was very well written and useful.

Just watched the discussion. It was actually impressively balanced.

Apparently, on BBC one, Sunday morning live, this morning they are covering the Olympic decision about born biological men competing in womens races.

Yeah, Eminy.

Big boys don't cry.
You run like a girl.
You throw like a girl.
Last one back's a sissy.
Boys don't like pink.
Boys are tough.
And all the sexism around children, all the time, even at school: www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2015/feb/23/sexist-assumptions-young-children-gender-stereotypes

I have been reading this thread, and others on similar subjects recently with interest.

The whole trans/cis/gender thing is relatively new to me, as in really thinking about it as opposed to it just being something that other people thought about. In real life I have never had anything like the conversations that are had on here, and have had very little contact with the trans community.

Anyway, the more I have read, what has interested me the most is the idea of gender as a social construct, and the reality that if there wasn't such a stigma attached to people of one biological sex dressing/behaving in the stereotyped way of the opposite gender then we wouldn't even need the word trans. The article the vestal posted pretty much sums it up for me. I've been trying and failing to articulate my feelings on the matter and that article does a perfect job.

So although I don't nessesarily think it needs to be banned, I do reject the term cis being applied to me. But, live and let live, people can call themselves whatever they want I suppose.

I just need to work out now how I can avoid gender stereotyping while raising my son. I think that is going to be a challenge seeing as it is so fundamentally ingrained in society.

I had to fill in a referral form for an adolescent mental health service recently. It asked for not even 'gender' but 'gender identity' and the options were male and female. I definitely deleted it and put sex instead but I can't remember if I sent it that way or put it back.

Ha. Was pissed off registering to the Guardianto comment and had to state gender. Didn't want to but really wanted to comment.

Venus- yyy from me too.

Didn't mnhq as they were changing the profile to "sex" a while back?

Very interesting, vestal.

Funnily enough, I'd returned to this thread to say, sod banning 'cis', what we should ban is 'gender' except for its original purpose in grammar.

Stop the mealy mouthed use of gender as a 'polite' synonym for 'biological sex' (fgs MNHQ fix the profile, anyone who can't bear seeing the word sex probably won't like MN). Stop the 'transgender' idea allowing people who are physically and hormonally men into biologically women's spaces such as the women's Olympics teams or refuges. Stop gender putting our children into boxes.

If someone came up to me and told me they were a "genderqueer femme presenting demigirl" I don't think I would actually know what to say. Apart from "huh?"