MNHQ here: what do you think about manufacturers marketing wipes as 'flushable'?

Not so far, I think.

But then we can all change our views if given new information, surely?

Out of curiosity has anyone pointed out the irony / hypocrisy of doing this a couple of months after the sponsered posts for andrex flushable wipes?

Just been cleaning the toilet and - after checking the toilet bin - thought that a really weak spot is guests. Who knows what other people are flushing down your loo when they're in there?

Might there be some usefulness in having - say - some stickers/stand ups (whatever those little triangular cardboard things are called) or something that you could put near the toilet to give people a hint and, hopefully, spread the word?

I haven't thought this through by the way - just musing.

It's particularly the coordination of any thread with a campaign that I'm unclear about, Clutter. There seems to be a serious and growing problem already but it might not be a good idea to dissipate effort. I don't know the best way on this.

cozie given the way as someone? You? posted up thread, some posters always are shocked that you shouldn't flush sanitary towels & tampons, a thread on a busier board might be a good idea.
room on my broom that's a really good idea, I'd be surprised if the water boards hadn't already approached them. Also the open water swimming association, and assorted triathlon type societies might be interested?

Not RTFT sorry, well not all of it, so excuse if already suggested.

How about MN and the water company teaming up with Surfers Against Sewage? they are hot on the topic of what should not be flushed, and have been saying so for a long time.

I'm wondering whether a thread on this topic should be started on a board with more general traffic?

Any thoughts?

This article is a year old but people might find it interesting. The facts are all still true as far as I can see.

I'm all for banning the bastarding beads, but that's another battle.
Let's stick to the matter in hand.

I suspect that there's a need to maintain focus on one immediate issue, His. ( Although, hopefully, broader environmental issues would also have their profile raised as a result?)

And cunting microbeads.

I'm astonished that this kind of product is even legal.

Companies cannot be relied upon to " do the right thing". Campaign all you want but sometimes govts need to legislate to stop environmentally disastrous products being manufactured, marketed and sold.

Add coffee pods to the list too please. Something completely unnecessary, devised purely to "add value" to a relatively cheap product. Half the country falls for George Clooney for fucks sake it, and entire new swathes of the county are required to landfill the excessive unnecessary waste.

Future generations are going to point and laugh at our idiocy.

It's worth watching the video in that article by the way. Depressing but still worthwhile.

An interesting article from Canada - although, frankly, if you search the net on - say - 'wipes and sewers', there are so many references (all saying much the same thing) that it's hard to choose.

Yes. As I posted earlier in the thread, I had a look at some of the wipes for sale from online supermarkets. They've mostly been given real 'natural' descriptions and pictures but the disposal instructions - if they exist online - are bleak.

Some of the big supermarkets might usefully be asked to confirm their position on this issue, I think?

So just had a look in some cupboards. The sanitary protection and face wipes are clearly marked bin not bog, diagrams too.

Also have most of a pack of sainsbo moist arse wipes, colonoscopy prep last year. And good god, they are indeed marked flushable.says 1 at a time with a full flush, which is even worse. It says not for septic tank, which we are on , although I would bin anyway.

I think it is time that it was illegal to suggest anything can flush except bog roll.

'ppp' is a good slogan - I hadn't seen it in that way.

Out if interest, do nurseries and schools etc buy these for children to use?

I think this is a great idea, and would be better from the only flush ppp direction. I checked my baby wipes (which I never flush) and found on the back they could be bigger.
I also agree nappy liners for cloth nappies, the ones I have say they are flushable but definitely don't break up.

It seems obvious to you, it seems obvious to me but - judging by many of the posts here - it's not so obvious to everybody. (And there can be big money at stake.)

I suspect that there might be some far more specific clauses in the future.

Clause depends on the agreement - but if a blocked drain is caused by the wrong stuff being flushed, it seems obvious it is damage. If the drain leaks due to age / trees etc , thats wear and tear and is the landlords cost.

I am stunned that people think that anything except body waste and bog roll is flushable. So many info sheets/ campaigns for years. And looks like HQ doesn't know either, no wipe is flushable if you don't want a blockage.

Nasty for the tenants, all caused by a clueless cleaner. Apparently it was a lot of wipes/ cloths too. Yuk.

Thanks, special. Out of interest, are they detailed clauses (if not inclusive) or would they just refer to 'damage caused by tenants' for example? Judging by some of the posts on this thread, there's not a lot of knowledge about the issue but if the problems grow and given the likely costs, I can imagine more and more landlords implementing penalties.

Tenant damage clauses are already there. If you stink a place out with coffin nails,you pay for cleaning, and if you don't know the difference between a toilet and a bin you also pay. Or if your cleaner doesn't know, as happened to our tenants. Who sorted it themselves and mentioned it later.

And yes, it was in the short and simple property info sheet as no
One reads leases.

Thank you, Hold. Fascinating.

Interestingly just read this on buzz feed:

www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/flushed-away

It refers to the wiles and fat problem!

I realised that the use of these wipes was, sadly, increasing but I didn't realise just how widespread their use was/how many people put all sorts down toilets. I wonder how long it's going to be before landlords start to put related clauses in letting contracts as they might do for pets and smoking?