Anti-Religious Trolling On Mumsnet

Must be getting dizzy on that roundabout.

How does one have a fight on a message board? I can only use my reason. And invite people to dismantle it.

internet point scorers?

What's my score? Whose keeping track?

interrogation

It's impossible to interrogate someone through an optional message board. I haven't barged into your house and started screaming at you while you're quietly eating dinner.

Well said pontipines unfortunately headinheads appears to be spoiling for a fight

Why does every single thread on religion have to feature

It was entirely in context. A poster likened Christianity to a hobby but I pointed out that there are no laws about children being told about camping or dogs so it's not a valid comparison. You may feel my point was unnecessary. I don't and can explain why I felt the need to mention it. So we have a difference of opinion. Your move is to now demonstrate how my point is wrong and that Christianity is like a hobby. Yawning and making a thing of being so bored and tired of it doesn't move it along. Actually counter my point!

But that doesn't mean it's okay to have people in the House of Lords just because of what religion they are. Many Christians on MN want a secular education for all

Aaagh! This is a prime example of the sort of derailing religious threads get.

Why does every single thread on religion have to feature someone complaining about either collective worship in schools/bishops in the House of Lords regardless of what the thread is about?

It's tedious derailing into a persistent pet topics of certain posters. Whatever is happening in wider society, you don't have the right to make every religious thread all about you.

Any btw Headinhands, no I don't always want to "debate" my religious views, why should I have to debate anyone on a chat thread? Why should just talking about my everyday life be scope for interrogation by internet point scorers?

It is exactly that sort of attitude that drives people away from religious threads on MN.

just carry on with your blinkered views

Which of my views do you feel are blinkered?

(See what I did there? You criticised my position and I turned it into a chance to discuss it. Seems more fun and more logical than getting upset)

Orlando you don't exactly gush about your choice of faith

I think the same rules apply all over MN, say what you have to politely. If you're on a thread and someone posts a reply you feel is designed to derail then steer it back. Use it as a chance to demonstrate your devastating reasoning skills :)

And also, isn't the whole idea of derailing subjective. It supposes that there is a rail as such that everyone should follow. The thread will have many people with different ideas, even in a thread that was just full of one group.

So again, here is my take on the rules:

Say what you need to politely
Do not covet your neighbour ox

Are we all agreed?

Going back to being treated with contempt, yes, I have been. Both in RL and on mn threads, though not this one.

Usually because people consider, or appear to, that

You believe God/ the deity is on old man with a white beard who lives above the sky
You believe in every word of the Bible, literally, or if you don't you ought to and not doing so is hypocritical and
you have to be a creationist
You never ever have any doubts
You don't take people like Betrand Russell seriously in their arguments against
You believe that every one who doesn't think like you is going to go to hell and has no ethical standards,
You go round persecuting your neighbours by telling them they have to go to church or they're all doomed
There is some material or social advantage in being a Christian. Not in my world, there isn't. You are treated with distrust by colleagues who regard you as fundamentally illogical, untrustworthy, having a hidden agenda, it's inconvenient and expensive. I could get the lovely music without going to church.

Heigh ho. All of life's rich tapestry.

headinhands - your posts make you sound as if you actually just want an argument. THis thread is not about children seeing ghosts.

I've already made my observations here. If you don't want to read them then that is up to you - just carry on with your blinkered views.

Yesterday I was posting examples of threads which were derailed. I did say that I agreed that actually, the supernatural one probably wasn't the best example. My brain tends to remember individual posts rather than the whole thread sometimes and the post I remembered was the one which said something like

'Although I'm an atheist I think it's a shame the thread was derailed in spite of pleas from the OP not to'

I then posted some other examples of threads, which I feel are more relevant to the OP and which are not particularly controversial topics. There are many examples of these where someone jumps in and tries to derail.

I stand by my view that sometimes people deliberately derail threads to try to drive conversations with a religious/spiritual theme off MN. This can be either deliberate mocking or dressed up as 'concern'

I am not going to spend any more time on this thread now. MNHQ - I do think that this needs addressing in some way when it is obvious someone is deliberately trying to shut down a discussion rather than add to it.

issues you have about spirituality

But if you agreed with my advice why would you have an issue with my beliefs or lack thereof?

So was that thread about the child hallucinating yours? Why did you repost it if you agreed with the advice?

So why would you say I had no grounds to suggest a visit to the GP?

You are preaching to me about the need to take a child to the doctor if they're seeing things when I SAID THE SAME THING IN MY POST OF 00.53

Sheeesh!

Lottie you refered back to that thread and I then clarified what I said and yet I'm derailing??

I wasn't trying to derail, I thought we were talking about the same thread, genuine mistake.

Sorry I saw a thread someone reposted about their child having hallucinations. I thought that's the one we were talking about. I'm genuinely confused!

It alarms me that you seem to be having a conversation with yourself(!)

What does my post of 00.53 today say, please?

What did I say on that thread that you wish me to explain?

It's NOT lottielou daughter! Perhaps if you took the time to read the thread instead of derailing it.......

I have read it

What alarmed people, and still alarms me, is your offence at the idea of a medical explanation for a child hallucinating.

It's not about my past or your past or any one persons history. It's about providing medical care. FWIW I reckon all the Christians I know would also urge a visit to the GP under these circumstances.