Scottish Referendum debate - watch with Mumsnet

Have plans or schedules for the 18/19th been released yet?

Agreed, I think public celebration from either side would be pretty shit given that it is likely to be pretty close and there are some people who the outcome could be really bad for. We gave to get on as a country after this -rubbing each other's noses in it won't help

Yes, I don't think I'd bother with public celebrations no matter which way the vote goes.

Whatever the outcome of the vote, a large number of people are going to be really pissed off about it.

I think big celebrations from either side would be in pretty poor taste - and wouldn't do anything to heal the divide.

"Some of the comments I have seen made in support of Yes have been pretty anti-English - therefore I would not personally go to a Yes iScotland celebration."

So because of a few daft comments that means you'd never go to a possible Yes! iScotland celebration? If not all Scottish people behave this way then why hold back?

I'm Scottish and I live in a very touristy part of Scotland. I have definitely heard anti-English sentiments expressed here and in other parts Scotland, find it very hard to believe anybody living in Scotland hasn't.

I took my family to see a netball match at the Commonwealth Games - England V Australia - and the Scottish family behind us were encouraging their kids to cheer for the Aussies because, "Scottish people never support England." Found it all a bit sad - young children unquestioningly adopting their parents' prejudices.

Pleased to say they were very much in the minority - most Scots cheered for the English team - as did the England supporters when Scotland played in the next match. As it should be.

I haven't targeted all Scottish people - I go to Scotland a lot. Some of the comments I have seen made in support of Yes have been pretty anti-English - therefore I would not personally go to a Yes iScotland celebration.

To be fair, I don't think saintly was suggesting it happens all the time, just that it happened to her.

Sorry jimjams that this happened to you, but it's not fair to use this as a means of tarring all Scottish people with the same brush. That was all I meant.

But irnbru - it happened. Am I not allowed to mention it?

I have found anti-Englishness much less than when I was young. I'm Scottish and grew up in Scotland, and I've heard some pretty offensive stuff in the past, but much less now. I have seen a few people online ranting about the English, but I assume they are a very small minority and both campaigns have certain elements that are an embarrassment to them. Plus some people who want to make it all about what football team people support.

I really hope people aren't submitted to anti-English attitudes however the vote goes. I've never found anti-Scottishness when I've been in England.

However, I wouldn't be going to independence celebrations obviously.

"I've been on the receiving end of an anti-English tirade"

this is old hat. Never have I heard anyone Scottish slagging off the English personally or giving them a hard time. Most people I know are civil to anyone they meet, in fact I know plenty English people living round about me who haven't had any bother living in Scotland. If living here was so bad, why are there so many families moving to Scotland? Half of Edinburgh is full of the rest of the UK.

It's these kinds of remarks that really get on my nerves.

Several English people & lots of other nationalities involved in our local YES campaign.

To be honest being English I'd be nervous about going to big Yes celebrations - I've been on the receiving end of an anti-English tirade before and it wasn't something I'd want to repeat or my children to experience.

I've been holidaying in Scotland for the last decade, and never had any problem spending Scottish notes in the SE of England when I go home.

I definitely wouldn't be coming to any independence celebrations, I would be quite saddened by a split in the UK, like some other Scottish residents.

I don't think independence would have any impact on foreign tourism. There may be a minor dip in UK tourism if people feel a bit rejected by Scotland or if they choose to keep their holiday spending within the UK economy, but mostly not I would have thought.

Not sure re the wind farms. There was a recent European Court of Justice ruling that countries don't have to pay energy subsidies cross-border even when they are buying the energy, so the plans to maintain a single UK energy market may or may not happen. As with everything, nobody can say with absolute certainty because the whole array of issues would need to be negotiated. Which will apparently take 18 months with a UK General Election part-way through. Aye right (oh I love the Scottish double negative).

Agree SquattingNeville that's one of the aspects of the vote that really worries me - how will celebrations by either side be taken by the rest of the population? I'm campaigning for a No vote, but wouldn't want to take part in any really obvious celebrations as I think it would be really inconsiderate to those who really want a yes vote.

Personally I think I will watch the count with a bottle of wine (actually undecided as it looks like the result may not be available until later than a general election - can't find the doc now but I was reading about the logistics of the count and the implications of remote areas, higher turnout expected etc, might be better setting the alarm really early) and hope that I will be able to utter a heartfelt "thank f*ck for that".

Why would we want to celebrate independence? Unless you're Scottish. And we have family in Scotland but I can't see us heading up there for independence celebrations.

The only difference I can see is we might rethink our journey to Northern Ireland if a different currency was a pita (we avoid the Dublin routes because needing euros for toll booths is a pita. Although looks like it would be choosing between 2 different ones .

I don't understand why it would increase tourism at all.

I was saying bleak as something positive - that's what Scotland has that's different to other bits of the UK. If I was going on holiday to Scotland that's why I would go there.

If I wanted a UK city break I'd go to London - why would that change after independence?

Numanoid the tourists in Edinburgh don't benefit us here on the West coast much. The people who are coming over here want to see wild and unspoilt places.
Celebrate indepence. really? I'm not sure. I read the comments on Spiegel-online following an article about the referendum and they were a lot more about how it would effect British power and influence in the EU (hoping it would limit it) rather then what it would do to Scotland. I really don't think continental Europe cares one way or the other.

I was on the other thread so came back here for one more post. :) I don't think Scotland is bleak at all.

Well already, in Edinburgh, you can't move for tourists every day of the week. Glasgow has more than its fair share too. Many other places, too. At the moment, the shops, castles, tourists attractions (Edinburgh Dungeons, Deep Sea World, Camera Obscura, that kind of thing...), places of historical interest, islands, distillieries and so forth garner a lot of interest. Walking down the street in the blazing sun on Saturday wasn't a wild or bleak experience.

I think that people will want to come to Scotland after the Yes vote. They'll want to join in the celebrations immediately after no doubt, and it is an event of historical interest. Visits to Holyrood will no doubt increase, for a start. It will create more interest, for sure.

Tourists are coming for the wild and bleak places. I doubt they still will be coming in the same numbers if there is a windfarm on every hill and even more fish farms in every loch and that seems to be the plan to make use of resources that Scotland has
I live in a very touristy place and it would be a big problem if tourist numbers drop.

Why would there be a tourism boom? Where from?? Genuine question - I like Scotland because I like wild bleak places, but the majority of people want sun ime.