TDWP and recent goings-on

It's all very well saying to trust the regulars - but I'm guessing most of us won't have a handy list of who is a regular and who isnt! People name change, sometimes with very subtle differences between names - there is probably nothing stopping anyone calling themselves LadyBeegleEyes and passing themselves off as a "known" poster.

As a thought experiment - what if people had played by the site rules and not called troll on the threads in question. What if the regulars, instead of posting and casting doubts had simply said "this doesn't seem to be a sensible thing to do and I hope everyone is ok" ? The people involved may or may not have ended up feeling a bit but they would not have felt bullied and attacked.

Nothing any of you sleuths did on the thread has had a positive outcome has it? The safety issue could still have been raised and dealt with but in an adult and supportive way.

To me this is a perfect illustration of why MN bans troll hunting - its toxic.

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Trust YOU Custy!

I'm not sure MNHQ had that in mind when they added the picture feature!

Or maybe they did

Oh, now, this is disturbing...

The answer is Spike, LtEve. Every day. And twice on Sundays.

Thanks

still none the wiser

Oh but there are days when I just cant decide...

David boreanz (sp?) exit him off Buffy and bones.

Who he?

Oh my. That's a feast for the eyes.

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How can you possibly conclude that troll hunting is worse after that debacle, Catsrus?
To me it proved the exact opposite, how a troll can manipulate a whole thread and have nice but naive posters driving through the night to what was a potentially dangerous situation.
Many long term posters smelled TDWP on that thread, and they were proved correct as MN confirmed.
I'd rather trust those that have been here for years than reporting. MNHQ do their best but there is only so much they can do with searching IP addresses and whatever else they can do.
One computer savvy troll can get through this barrier, which is why I'd much rather trust the instincts of people that have been here for years.
Unlike the ever changeable staff at MNHQ, they have been chatting to people on this site for years, and have got to know the style and language of many posters.
They are nearly always right, and as I've only been here for 3 years, I'm always grateful for the warnings.

Of course it was a nice sensible thread. It was mine

Catsrus in this case, if TDWP was in genuine need and NOT trolling. Why has she revisited the site repeatedly since she was delivered there each time using a different alias?

Because that isn't asking for a hand hold, it's trolling.

There was some poor behaviour around that night, but you can't excuse the poor behaviour being born out of good intent on one side of the arguement, if you don't grant the same excuse to the other.

Thankfully Mnet is mostly comprised of intelligent, thoughtful well meaning women .... Sometimes when we're get up about an issue we need a gentle reminded that we are, and then start acting like it again.

No ones opinions or feelings of the events last week changed in the other now full thread. But they decided to pack in going in circles and be kind to each other.

Oddly enough once that happened a shiny brand spanking "new" poster arrived to try and start the whole furore over again.

This time they were roundly ignored. By parties in both sides of the disagreement.

Whatever our thoughts are on the help granted. A confirmed PBP/Troll engineered and manipulated a situation where report and ignore was nigh on impossible. That says a lot more about them then any of the posters who reacted.

Problem with that catsrus, is that people WERE reporting and WERE PMing but nothing was happening. People were still being sucked in, plans being made and support (and very sad and personal stories) being given on the threads.

Not until people that KNEW (not thought, not assumed - those who had been bitten before and recognised the style) started posting on the thread, or 'troll hunting' did other people start backing off.

But even then, people that didn't KNOW, people that weren't around before or weren't hurt by the mastertrolls previous incarnations were telling the 'troll hunters' that they were wrong, to back off, reporting them to MNHQ and getting their warnings deleted.

The thread should have been deleted or locked then. Maybe if it had been we wouldn't have seen all the shit kicking off since.

Maybe that is why people are 'told you so'-ing now (although I haven't seen it). Regulars/Oldies/Royalty (however the latest sneer is said) REMEMBER past events and I wish people would take notice of them when it is something this important.

Now all that is left from this latest debacle is bad feelings and hurt. But it could have been much worse.

There was a thread last week (nice sensible thread on the whole with good points being made) debating whether trolls or troll hunters were worse. I argued then that troll hunters were - on that thread i was coming round to maybe trolls were but these recent threads have reinforced my view that troll hunting is more damaging to MN than trolls.

The fact that "foots" turned out to be a well known troll says nothing about the situation she was actually in. We don't know how genuine that was. what zombie did may have been a selfless act of kindness or a very stupid and dangerous act - or both.

Some people on MN seem a bit over invested in being able to say "see, I told you so" "I felt it in my waters that this was dodgy" etc. the bullying on these recent threads has certainly changed my view of some posters (and yes I do think it has been bullying of people who simply tried to help someone).

If you think someone might be a troll or sock puppet then REPORT it, or PM people - don't start suggesting it on thread, nothing more likely to turn any thread nasty IMO.

Latecomer to thread.

Just to go back to something that MaryZ said last night about cryptic messages and someone "in the know" saying that Zombie wasn't answering her phone... it was me who said the Zombie wasn't answering.

I wasn't posting that to be cryptic or alarmist. I was just as worried and confused by it as everyone else and not remotely in the know. I did state when I posted that that I wasn't telling you all this to panic everyone. I was just super worried about Zombie.

"The quiche had started organising a meet up"

I have never been so confused in my life.

Quiche as in chatty group.

I am not sure that helps Absy.

I think that everyone involved enjoyed the drama. Now, as a good time was clearly had by all, is there anything more to be said?

TDWP has hurt a lot of people over the years - the Quiche Meetup thing was awful but it certainly wasn't the worst thing she did :( - or still does. She is unbalanced for sure, but even when she's posting reasonably normally she's nasty... the two are not mutually exclusive.

LtEveDallas said it very well early on the thread. This kind of thing has the potential to make genuine victims of DV or abuse doubt what the sensible course of action is. You can't just say 'there's no harm done, all turned out OK'. It has potentially been hugely harmful and unless the MN and its posters take that on board something worse could happen in the future when another of these dramas unfolds.

I was reading the threads on the night on question (m'lud) and while I do now remember the odd reference to TDWP, I didn't know the backstory so didn't think much of that. What I did notice was a lot of posts from people saying 'something about this is really off, it feels wrong, I get a bad feeling about it'. And THAT is what should have been listened to - in other situations we would be telling posters to exercise caution, trust their instincts and if they feel something if odd, take steps to protect themselves. That just didn't have an effect because folks insisted that all precautions had been taken, nothing to worry about.