Clarification please

Actually, aside from "was it deliberately inflammatory?" I would like to put a word in in favour of the deliberately inflammatory.

Not hurtful, offensive to the vulnerable, insulting, crude, or, well, stupid.
But an interesting, contrarian, stirring point of view, sincerely offered in the spirit of creating some heat and light and opening some things up. Not necessarily sincerely held to the absolute nth degree - perhaps some element of the posit as opposed to hold - but sincerely offered for constructive purposes - sincerely considered to be a legitimate and interesting starting point for discussion
these can be funny, clever, interesting
they can also be annoying if done with a heavy hand and / or it's not your bag, in which case, oh well

It really bugs me this big-sisterly heavy handed hegemony that consensus and agreement is automatically good. Agreement and consensus is what you want when you are trying to decide where to have lunch, but boring and pointless when you want to play

Hully, how many piss taking / larking about / goady / sarky threads do you think you have you started in your years here?

I've been here close to the same amount of time as you, and 'noticed' you I think from day one. You have a style that is hard to hide, and your threads have a certain 'Hullyness' that is unmistakable.

I believe that it is hard to tell when you start a thread whether you are being serious, taking the piss, having a laugh or 'other'. When you started thread one, initially I thought it was a piss take and I expect other posters did too. When I saw the PAs against you my immediate thought was that people didn't 'get' you, and thought you were serious. I was surprised to discover you were.

The second thread, again I thought your outrage was a joke. Until this thread, where it seems I was wrong about both.

Maybe that is the problem. People see the Hully persona, automatically assume that you aren't being serious, and respond accordingly.

For example, on this thread I cannot take you seriously if you ARE comparing yourself to Mandela. I mean, really? Who would? It's rather distasteful - and frankly leads me to believe that threads one and two WERE pisstakes. It comes across as over-egging the pudding.

Can you understand the confusion? Maybe MNHQ feel the same.

(Maybe the answer is two names: HullySerious and HullyLite )

A person can bring appeasement to themselves by letting go, as Maryz's excellent post said.

We are all wronged sometimes[not saying you are or you are not here].

Letting go is a vital skill of life.

hth
www.mayoclinic.com/health/forgiveness/MH00131

I'm sorry, are you really comparing message deletions on an internet board to Mandela?!?!

Seriously?

I agree, Hully, you need to take a step back.

But I guess this thread will go in the morning.

So I will start another one about Diane.

After all, you can't delete me for questioning her links to a Tory MP who was sent to jail for fraud?

There are plenty of black MPs who would have been happy to have done a blog about what Nelson Mandela meant to them and the world.

And before you get all twitchy and deleting, I will say her track record in constituency matters is excellent. You could not hope for a better team to fight your cause.

Shame about the rest of it.

And then random post out of nowhere, you have blinking Diane Abbot doing a blog about Nelson Mandela?

The same Diane Abbott who nominated Jonathan Aitkin as one of her children's godparents?

Could you not have found a black MP who did not have such links to the right wing of this country? The same right wing that called for his execution?

Let alone her tv slot with Michael Portillo and Andrew Neill?

Do you think we have no political memory at all?

Apologies to coming to this thread so late in the day.

My sense of timing seems to be a bit off these days,

including turning up for the MN meet up a whole day early.

Yes, you may well question my ability to think sensibly.

And I see that with this thread and others, MNHQ have been under pressure.

And that is fine. What I do not like, is being deleted alone on a thread at the behest of some other random poster. with no feedback at all.

I promised I wouldn't do bunfights, but I never promised I wouldn't do lighthearted posts/faintly sarcastic posts/posts laden with irony.

I personally feel there is no place for me her any more. I have tried and tried. But to be deleted simply for disagreeing with someone with a faintly sarcastic edge to my post is not the MN I found six years ago.

Sorry, but it ain't.

You give idiots posts after posts after posts of objectionable stupidity and if any one dares call them on it we get deleted.

Deleted for pointing out their are ignoring facts?

And god forbid you do it is a faintly amusing, not too leaden way.

Sorry. I am really fucked off with all of this.

I loved MN when I joined. Now I feel I have to tip toe around the sensibilities of fools.

Have they really changed the deletion message?

If so, what hope is there anyway?

FFS. I can't believe this thread is still going on and on and on over the same ground again and again and again. The world has it about right

I hadn't thought of that.

I hope MNHQ come back and ADMIT they shouldn't have said Hully was being inflammatory. Cos she wasn't and its NOT FAIR to accuse someone of doing that, when it is plainly not true.

awaits zapping from MNHQ

I think the only thing you can do is report everytime someone has a pop at you. I know that's not something you'd like to do, but it's the only way they will be shut up.

I was actually going to report some of the posts on the first thread as there were so many personal attacks on you, but I thought, no, Hully can look after herself. But actually, they should have been reported as MNHQ would have been aware of the thread earlier, may have dropped a quick 'Ahem' and then they may have backed off and the discussion could have carried on.

Instead it all ends in confusion and upset.

Mayby you could NC, Hully? Nooooooooooo

NM did forgive and took the high road, that's exactly what he did

Exactly Maryz.

Normally when people insist they are being "got at" on here, I think "oh course you are dear twat "

But I do think its odd that Hully gets reported do much