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Clarification please

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 16:25

So I come back to find that you have deleted my thread asking why my Santa thread was deleted.

Of course it was a thread about a thread, it was asking a question about the thread.

Wtf else is one supposed to do?

I put it in site stuff.

It was also a really nice friendly thread full of poetry and laughs. Why why why why was it deleted? What the hell is going on there?

Secondly, if one wants to talk about something, and that something has been deleted purely owing to others mischief, does that mean that one is never to talk about that subject again??

How mad is that?

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reelingaroundthechristmastree · 05/12/2013 23:28

Why did you have to say that Briar?

Because it's true?

Because you are stirring.

IamtheZombie · 05/12/2013 23:28

Zombie is getting quite cross now.

AmyMNHQ has had the great misfortune to be the HQer who has had to deal with Zombie on a couple of issues via contactus. Zombie has found her to be highly professional. Zombie was over-ruled but graciously accepted that as it was clear to her that AmyMNHQ had done a proper investigation before coming to her decision.

ExitPursuedByAChristmasGrinch · 05/12/2013 23:27

Miranda?

SconeForAStroll · 05/12/2013 23:27

I love mice

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 23:26

Ok

The only thing I can think of to do is to smother my threads in caveats and guidelines from now on.

what fun

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HoneyDragon · 05/12/2013 23:26

It Rowan, in fairness you are not a homogenous bunch of robots and occasionally you do read something by an HQer and think, hold on a minute there that's a bit out of order.

That's why I commented on how the tone of an HQers post came across. No malice or attacks, and I'm sorry if it caused offence, but that's how I read the post.

BriarcliffBelle · 05/12/2013 23:25

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thecatfromjapan · 05/12/2013 23:25

HoneyDragon I take offense at that "Thread Three ... everyone milling around harrumphing."

I'm not. I'm milling around, shamelessly delighted to see the posters here. It's making me very happy. I realise that you are all quite serious. I, however, have wandered in from a completely different story, and am trying to ply you all with mulled wine and - slightly alarming - mince pies.

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 23:24

you think briar? you think?

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 23:24

I agree Rowan, very unfair.

Yet difficult as it is about decisions made by individuals.

Not sure how they can be reconciled.

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DeckTheHallsWithBoughsOfHorry · 05/12/2013 23:23

Sorry, Rowan, I wasn't intending to suggest that MNHQ blame the OP for the direction a thread takes; rather that in some people's heads it would be "ooh Horry's thread turned into a dreadful bunfight" because a thread is kind of necessarily associated with its OP.

But as any fule kno it's impossible for an OP to order or control the content of her thread ah if only as innocent threads can turn into filthfests (rinse your minge) and goady/troll threads can be derailed into beautiful classics (Yoni massage).

BriarcliffBelle · 05/12/2013 23:23

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Maryz · 05/12/2013 23:23

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RowanMumsnet · 05/12/2013 23:23

We'd really appreciate it if we could move the conversation away from AmyMN specifically. She is indeed young and gorgeous Envy. She's also highly clever and extremely competent. But nonetheless it would be a bit odd for this thread to be specifically about her.

As you've probably noticed, on threads like this there's an imbalance of arms - in that MNers can pretty much say what they like about MNHQers, but we have to respond in a professional way. (Occasional moment of hot-headedness aside Blush)

As such it would be ENORMOUSLY appreciated if the convo could be de-personalised when it comes to MNHQers

ShreddedHoops · 05/12/2013 23:22

Some long standing posters think MN has changed. Other long standing posters think it hasn't.

reelingaroundthechristmastree · 05/12/2013 23:22

Why did you have to say that Briar?

And I haven't seen anyone from HQ get a pasting, I really haven't.

Stirring.

Fairenuff · 05/12/2013 23:22

Can we have a Robust Debate topic or summat?

Can we have a 'thick skin' section, or something because lots of us don't actually get offended by being sworn at or upset by people who just want to be knobs.

Xmas Smile
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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 23:21

I care about two things:

  1. I have been falsely accused and maltreated
  1. I want to be able to talk about stuff, especially non-mainstream, views, without a bunch of personal attacking twits ruining it and getting it deleted

Is that too much to ask?

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Maryz · 05/12/2013 23:20

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HoneyDragon · 05/12/2013 23:20

Rowan, your confusing me more.

As I understand

Thread one: you responded to reports of goadiness from op and reports of PA's you had a backlog so opted to delete on the basis that people were not in your opinion debating, but bickering?

Thread two: was deleted because you considered it inflammatory to ask why the first thread was deleted, and the fact that the second thread was focused more on the philosophical debate that the op was trying to discuss in the first thread, and the fact that people were conversing nicely in debate was irelavant because the thread referred to the deleted one?

Thread three: is becoming a ridiculous mess because EVERYONE is milling around going I didn't say that that you've misunderstood me. And getting humphy and defensive and has now got to the point where everyone will be in a huff? And no solution will be put forward as to where a perfectly reasonable conversation about Father Fucking Christmas and the morality of believing in him can go, where people can demonstrate they are capable of discussing the matter like adults?

Well I think all this has earned a big round of ohforfuckssake from all parties.

Fairenuff · 05/12/2013 23:20

Just to be clear, if we delete a thread for being a bunfight we're not at all saying that we necessarily think the OP intended it to be a bunfight. Often the OP is long gone by the time the cakes are being thrown.

Then why can't they start a new thread to continue their discussion?

BriarcliffBelle · 05/12/2013 23:20

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 23:19

Yes but Rowan how then is one supposed to be able to talk about the things one wants to talk about? You see?

Can we have a Robust Debate topic or summat?

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Fairenuff · 05/12/2013 23:19

If HQ are getting inundated with reports, then they need to employ and train moderators.

We have to report. HQ have been very clear that they want as many reports as possible. Don't question anything on a thread - report, report, report. It's all getting a bit boring really.

Often, offensive posts which have been reported hang around for ages and silliness gets deleted by a whole thread swoop. Lazy policing.

I'm still waiting for a response from weeks ago. Not bothered really but they ask me to report and when I do, they ignore it. Meh.

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RowanMumsnet · 05/12/2013 23:18

@DeckTheHallsWithBoughsOfHorry

Presumably some threads get deleted because of where they're inevitably headed, rather than where they are right in that instant. As I said before, I wasn't remotely surprised by the first deletion - I can see that someone reading half a dozen reports from the same thread would look at it, see how fast it was moving, wince over the few really unnecessary comments/posts and think "fuck it, this isn't going to end well and we don't have the resources to say ahem every other post".

It's horrible for an OP who starts a thread in good faith that turns into something else and gets deleted, because she attracts some of the blame for the bunfight regardless of her real intentions.

Just to be clear, if we delete a thread for being a bunfight we're not at all saying that we necessarily think the OP intended it to be a bunfight. Often the OP is long gone by the time the cakes are being thrown.