Is it time to start paying for MN membership?

I think that out of all the many, many thousands of threads and posts, the goady fuckers and trolls are pretty insignificant. I don't come across many of either, when I do I report them. I wouldn't want to start paying a subscription.

I do quite like the idea of new poster, or posters with a dodgy track record (a high number of deletions or returning after a ban etc.), being given a P-plate - so that their posts must be moderated before being added to the boards. Then once they have proven themselves they would be given free access until such time as they misbehaved.

"Oh yes Tee, that's a good idea, log off right in the middle of a relationships thread, when some poor woman is discussing serious issues, just because some goady fucker decides to spice things up a bit."

Then ignore the goady fucker. Don't respond to them and they'll go away.

That's what GFs and Trolls want. Reaction.

So take the high road and don't react!

You can't control them, so control yourself.

Paying is a terrible idea sorry. I am a reasonably new poster but long term lurker and have seen so many threads in Chat and Relationships where the poster is in dire need of help and support either financially or with an abusive partner or both even and have been given helpful, practical and insightful advice. Why should help advise and even just a bit of a laugh now and again when you are feeling low only be available to those who can afford to pay membership fees?

Several other membership boards I am on have restricted posting for new members but not sure just how this could be implemented on here to be honest.

Yes, make it a £12 annual fee. The same price as a left handed popcorn scoop pair of shoes. Because that's a tried and tested way of killing a site.

Very bad idea.

There are people on MN who don't know how they will make a few quid stretch over several meals for the family.

And no, no, NO to everyone having to give out identity and bank details to MN.

Threads from MN are being linked to on Twitter now, mostly just to laugh at or make fun of, which brings a whole new crowd to MN. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing.

I don't think we should pay to use the site because many women only have a joint bank account with their DH/DP, who would therefore be alerted to the fact that they have joined MN. Even if someone is not posting about their relationship, they might not want their DH to know they are using MN about other issues eg, MIL, depression, money issues etc etc.

I did suggest last night that MNHQ could post a weekly (maybe even daily, during high troll-traffic periods like half term) tally of MRAs/trolls/goady fuckers banned - because whilst it is very obvious when a prolific and much loved poster like AF is banned, the banning of the trolls is pretty much invisible to the majority of the site. At least, if there were a tally posted, people would be able to see all the hard work that MNHQ have to put in, to keep the site as we want it to be

You mean like a target for trolls and goady fuckers to hit. See how many deletions they can rack up and beat the previous weeks scores. Seriously trolls are better just left and ignored. Ignore them and they get bored and fuck off, rise to them, delete them, ban them and you end up setting them something to aim for.

I agree with NobleGiraffe. There are far more threads/boards that do not have these problems even when dealing with the more angsty stuff.

It's fine as it is. As in real life there are people that are annoying, you can't keep them out you just need to deal with them properly!

Oh yes Tee, that's a good idea, log off right in the middle of a relationships thread, when some poor woman is discussing serious issues, just because some goady fucker decides to spice things up a bit

If a poster has multiple deletions for PA's and is goady then HQ could ban them from name changing for a period of time. They would at least be forced to be 'out' and therefore immediately identifiable to all.

A nominal fee would be a good idea. Paying £2 to register would be affordable for pretty much everybody. HQ has the ability to waive the fee for those deemed truly too poor to pay it.

The site is free and re all the complaints about advertisers potentially exerting control over content, how do the complainers expect MN to fund their nice free at the point of use site? Naivety galore being displayed by some posters.

the test of any furore like this ( whether at work or online) is to tell someone NOT INVOLVED about it. if you sound like an absolute moron then there is your answer - you need time out

"I did suggest last night that MNHQ could post a weekly (maybe even daily, during high troll-traffic periods like half term) tally of MRAs/trolls/goady fuckers banned - because whilst it is very obvious when a prolific and much loved poster like AF is banned, the banning of the trolls is pretty much invisible to the majority of the site. At least, if there were a tally posted, people would be able to see all the hard work that MNHQ have to put in, to keep the site as we want it to be."

Not going to happen. TSSDNCOP and shouldn't.

And if you have to wait for HQ to respond, then you have to wait. A little patience would go a long way on this site. It is not run by robots, it's run by people with lives and other duties and so on. If it's really pissing you off? Log out for a bit.

I wouldn't pay - and I can't imagine it would be financially viable for a site like this to charge 'members' anyway. It's all about advertising revenue from the sheer volume of site hits I would have thought.

Anyway, THB after reading all the drama on here last night I did think I would do a bit of a quiet flounce because it all seemed a bit ridiculous - but then I got to work this morning and felt bored . And it's either MN or spending money on crap I don't need on fleabay....

Maybe if the regular posters thought they might get banned they wouldn't hit back?

noddy one person got banned
FOR A WEEK |

OMG!!!!

Like 5mad said, Bad Mothers Club was a fairly busy site until a £12 a year fee was introduced and it has dwindled down to almost nothing in 4 or 5 years. Even reintroducing non fee paying posting hasn't reinvigorated the site and it is such a shame because it was a smaller version of Mumsnet where straight talking and swearing were positively encouraged.

Loads of BMCers are now on Mumsnet and facebook instead because it moves faster.

i have no idea who these goady fuckers are? i never ever see them.

i would suggest if they annoy you to TAKE A BREAK

its not compulsory

It's alright saying 'report, report, report, report' but that means waiting hours and sometimes, overnight, for MNHQ to 'take a look'.

That is not ok when posters have made a name for themselves by keeping within the rules, but being sarcastic, unhelpful and goady on boards such as Relationships. The damage has been done by the time MNHQ get round to looking at a thread. So it's no wonder that occasionally regulars hit back.

Something needs to be done, regulars need to know that goady posters will be dealt with swiftly and decisively.

The poster who caused AF to be banned, has only been here 2 months (apparently) and has had 11 deletions. That seems rather high.

There needs to be a system for monitoring 'new' registrations.

thanks LEM and Neo for the explanation.
i shall keep my little eyes peeled for them

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"Less reacting, more reporting"

Hear hear!

But, from the (completely predictable) post-incident multiple threads, I think there's a long way to go before the concept catches on.

There will always be strong resistance to charging for mn and moderating for that matter. A lot of posters seem to have this weird idea that mn is "ours" and we should get to stamp our feet and get our own way. Hq have shown time and again that won't wash yet the behaviour continues.

I do think verification via PayPal or a card is a good idea actually. No actual cost involved but a process that puts a name and address on trolls may make them a little more cautious without blocking people who are financially in need. However I wonder how much it would cost hq to administrate?

Obviously the simple solution is to abide by the rules but that proves difficult for lots of people sadly.