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Is it time to start paying for MN membership?

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 24/10/2013 10:13

In the wake of everything that happened last night, I have been trying to think of ways to keep the goady fuckers and MRAs from repeatedly rejoining MN after being banned, just so that they can cause trouble and upset, particularly on boards like Relationships and Feminism.

If we were paying even a fairly nominal amount - say a tenner - per year for our MN membership, I don't think that is an amount that would put off people who wanted to join the site for the right reasons, but it would mean that joining, being a goady fucker, getting banned and then rejoining to cause more trouble, multiple times would get very expensive very quickly - and this might put off the trolls and goady fuckers.

Or are there other ways that we can think of that MNHQ can keep the goady fuckers off the site? Could they change the rules to say that joining just to goad people on sensitive boards is a banning offence?

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meditrina · 24/10/2013 13:07

'Hide poster' is merely a tech option for ignore poster something that we can all choose to do, and do right now.

FallingInBloodIsHardOnMeeeee · 24/10/2013 13:03

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 24/10/2013 12:56

I haven't, PeteCampbell - I didn't want to be all 'Look at meeeee, MNHQ - here I am solving all your problems for you!!' Blush

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LittleBearPad · 24/10/2013 12:45

I've wondered before if there couldn't bee some way of adding the year a poster joined to their username - i.e. LittleBearPad (2012). Showing the year only wouldn't compromise anonymity but it would give a quick indication of how long the person had been around.

PeteCampbellsRecedingHairline · 24/10/2013 12:36

Have you reported it SDTG? To be fair they are slightly busy with everything else but I'm sure they'll come and have a look.

mignonnette · 24/10/2013 12:35

Hide post and poster option - yes

Prevent MNers who have had a certain amount of warnings from name changing for a period of time - yes.

More moderators - yes

24 hour moderation - yes

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 24/10/2013 12:32

You are both right.

I hope MNHQ are going to read this thread (not because I started it, but because there are some very sensible options on here that they should consider).

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Anyuncomfortablydumbfucker · 24/10/2013 12:31

Ah, xpost.

shabbatheGreek · 24/10/2013 12:31

Sorry but the day I have to pay anything (especially for a site that has so many adverts on it) will be the day I wont be posting on MN.

I have been on a bereavement site on MN for about the last 6 years and we have been 'stung' by trolls and 'strange folk' over and over and over again. Paying for MN will not get rid of these people.

As in life......'they' walk amongst us every day!!!

Anyuncomfortablydumbfucker · 24/10/2013 12:30

I know MHHQ don't want it, but I wish they would reconsider the idea of users having the ability to block other posters.

If you try to ignore them in Relationships, or leave the thread, then the best case is that some vulnerable women doesn't get the help & support she needs, and worse, is potentially made to feel much worse about herself & her situation. If the trolls could just be blocked on the thread, then it could go on without their valuable insights Hmm. Hopefully enough of this lack of attention & they would give up. Maybe it could just be trialled in troll heavy areas like Relationships & FWR.

I'm lucky in that I've haven't need the Relationships section since discovering MN although am damn sure my younger self would have benefitted but I want like to know it was there, and a relatively safe haven, if I ever needed it.

PeteCampbellsRecedingHairline · 24/10/2013 12:27

Let's have a hide post/poster option.

Goady twatty post? Hide it!
Goady twatty poster? Hide them!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 24/10/2013 12:17

"...however i just tend to avoid weirdos..."

And yet here you are, posting on my thread, KatAndKit! WinkGrin

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 24/10/2013 12:16

I made sense??!! OMFG - Grin

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ivykaty44 · 24/10/2013 12:15

It would be good for me as I wouldn't pay and I spend far to much time on here - so bring it on Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 24/10/2013 12:11

One question, how many reports equal deletion? How many deletions to a ban?

Just one report will suffice; afaik there isn't a simple 'so many strikes and you're out'.

But I was wondering if multiple reports of the same post/poster escalates the issue so it goes higher up MNHQs priority list to look at - if not maybe that might be helpful (and I'm sure something Tech could implement)?

As to charging - I might pay now, more likely it would be the cure for my mild addiction. I almost certainly wouldn't have paid the first time I came to MN, desperate for advice on betwetting.

KatAndKit · 24/10/2013 11:58

I wouldn't pay. Charging users to use websites is not the way forward for any company who want to make money. It puts people off, even if only a nominal amount. If a fee was introduced id just go on one of the zillions of other parenting sites instead although i would miss mumsnet.

however i just tend to avoid weirdos.

StarfishTrooper · 24/10/2013 11:55

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 24/10/2013 11:50

MrsCakes and StarfishTrooper - I agree that the actual number of goady fuckers/trolls etc is pretty low - unfortunately I do think they can have a disproportionately damaging effect, due to where they choose to post.

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NomDeClavier · 24/10/2013 11:47

I don't support new posters being pre-modded. Sometimes people join MN and need advice ASAP. I do think if there a certain volume of reports relating to a person there should be a system which lets HQ then monitor then and possibly activate a pre-moderation policy, but there are tech implications to that.

Do you let a comment appear in the timeframe with a 'this is awaiting moderation'? Or do you post it once it's approved which messes with the flow of the thread?

We had karma on a board I moderate. It didn't work there and I would suggest that board is closer to MN than the one linked. There will be accusations of regulars vs non regulars, royalty, new posters being ignored, cliques and karma makes that really, really obvious unless there's some kind of percentage but then the GFs will just post inane rubbish to up their score.

ExcuseTypos · 24/10/2013 11:43

TEE, I dint get goaded, so I don't need to ignore these people.

Some regular posters are saying they are goaded and when it's done on a serious thread, it must be very hard to keep ignoring, day after day.

Minnieisthedevilmouse · 24/10/2013 11:40

Argh! Sigh, two questions.

First full night sleep after 9mths of dd2. My brain is still in shock and barely functioning.

Minnieisthedevilmouse · 24/10/2013 11:39

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Minnieisthedevilmouse · 24/10/2013 11:39

Follow the rules, all smiles

Don't follow the rules, Get banned. It really is that simple.

And report report report.

One question, how many reports equal deletion? How many deletions to a ban?

GetOrfMoiLandFucker · 24/10/2013 11:36

Absolutely not. I can't imagine it would be introduced anyway, it would kill the site traffic stone dead and harm the advertising revenue.