There's a rumour that anyfucker has been banned. Can you clarify before there is a riot please?

Good post youretoast. I agree with you.

FrightRider can you point to where Justine said it was regulars please?

because there has been so many posts about this I'm having trouble wading through it all, there's so much bullshit being bandied about.

We have plenty of regular goady fuckers. Can someone link to where Justine commented, please? I got lost with all the different threads.

I can't help but think there is a bigger debate behind this.

I am sad that AF has gone and would love to see her back, but as I've said before I don't think that any one poster can be above the rules. No matter how helpful, prolific and popular a poster is, if they repeatedly break HQ's rules and are asked to stop making personal attacks, then the eventual outcome is that they will be banned. (I have to say I didn't see the thread in question and have no idea what AF did to be banned).

If the rules are relaxed as posters are asking for, then they have to be relaxed for everyone and that means that goady fuckers, trolls and downright nasty characters won't be deleted as often and MN could become a lot less pleasant a place.

If the rules are stuck to, then it means that posters like AF get banned.

It's not a simple discussion for anyone involved. But I do personally think that it is not so simple as to let particular posters be exempt from the rules.

Maybe we have some regular goady fuckers then

I think a lot of what goes on, on the internet, against actively feminist (or sometimes even just identifiably female) posters is a bit beyond MNHQ. Even though certain parts of MN are key targets for it. I can't understand why that is, because on paper you would have thought Justine et al are the media-savvy sort of women who can read that sort of thing. But somehow they just don't; I get a dismissive sort of "I'm alright Jack" sense that they think that the sort of radical feminism that names this and squares up to it is sort of paranoid and rough and common and declasse. I have often seen successful women like this - the sort who have always been able to have personal meetings with high powered people to get what they want and smooth their own paths - be a bit "what's the problem?" and almost "well, if you will be aggressive, and not a team player, and negative..."

I think MNHQ needs to face up to the rampant online misogyny that is current and mainstream and targeted now, and stop trying to apply weak naive ideas of "equality" and "fairness". It is completely misreading the situation to think that a high profile online space of mainly women can protect itself as a pleasant and supportive place to be, by being simplistically "fair".

But then of course it is determinedly mainstream, for brand equity reasons, (£££) and feminism (which is what is needed here, as bloody well everywhere) is not mainstream. Sadly.

Adding My support for AF here. I evidently haven't been on the threads where she's been breaking guidelines as I don't recall her being "naughtier" than any others.

I am also horrified if Xenia and ScottishMummy have been lost.

I'm another who will leave if this is not resolved.

Something that was drummed into me for my judicial training is that "Justice must not just be done, it must be seen to be done". If AF has been banned for biting back at goaders, then MNHQ we are telling you that justice is not seen to be being done. Please listen. (and bring back Xenia as well, she always made me smile and made me think)

Serously?

put your pom poms away, ffs.

'I hope that MNHQ is aware that AF along with other prominent feminist posters are mentioned by name on MRA websites, just so they know who to target in order to silence women.'

Goodness Women, do we need a leader to tell us how to think and what to do?

Are we too weak to stand up for ourselves now that AF has gone?

Do we need an Alpha Female to protect us?

Come ON!!

Frightrider - do you have access to reporting data that we don't then?

I can't help but smirk when i see the phrase Mens Rights Activists - it reminds me of a sketch by The two ronnies - The worm that turned, or something, its very funny.

Can we not see these people for what they are, emasculinated idiots who for some insane reason feel threatened by members of the opposite sex and feel the need to put them down? Maybe some feminists are a bit like that too (not the emasculated bit, obviously).

Most people that i know, are really quite happy to rub along together, male or female and it just isn't an issue. Yes there are issues but not to the point I would be goading anyone on a talk forum, you kind of have to pity anyone who would do that. All i can say, is AF must scare the dicks off these idiots if they have launced a campaign against her.

I don't know what AF does in real life, i would like to think that she puts equal energies into helping women as she does on here because she is strong enough to make a real difference to women's lives. Not that what she does on here isn't real, but If she can make such an impact here, imagine what she would be like in government for example. Or even a local DV unit.

I don't always agree with her, i think she sometimes goes too far when women don't automatically LTB and I do take issue with this stance taken on the relationship board, not just by AF, by the majority and this is the reason why i don't tend to go there very mch these days and would hesitate about asking for relationship advice here now.

I think banning, or suspending her was wrong wrong wrong and taking this alongside other things that have come to light, other bannings and issues with threads etc, it is giving me reason to think whether mnet is the right place for me just now, but i get alot of support from the mental health boards, kept me sane! (sort of!)

Can someone post links to these mentions of MN posters on MRA websites? It would help for people here - and possibly MNHQ - to see them.

I hope that MNHQ is aware that AF along with other prominent feminist posters are mentioned by name on MRA websites, just so they know who to target in order to silence women.

Always nice to see men's silencing tactics still work, even on female dominated spaces

The last time I was suspended gor a week I was at school. ban because someone is harming the site. Please don't treat us like naughty school children

I couldn't not comment as I loved reading all anyfuckers's post, she gave a lot of useful advice, even if it wasn't relevant to me. A valued and long time MN member

I certainly report plenty.

It's interesting that on one of the threads where this may have kicked off - (ow for dinner in relationships) the op says she feels too distressed to come back because of the nasty comments she received on there. (not anyfuckers obviously)

It is a pity that MNHQ has chosen to post their response only in "chat" where it will go pfft.

A week is a long time in showbiz

NC to show my support