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30 days only - new trial topic alert!

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JustineMumsnet · 03/10/2013 16:45

Hello, hello

Following on from this thread, we've been having a think about a new, more-serious-than-Chat topic in which threads would automatically go pffft after 30 days.

The simplest thing we feel would be a new topic called '30 days only' with with a note at the top explaining that it's (broadly speaking) a more serious option than chat for any threads which you'd rather didn't stick around for too long.

As you know, we don't really see ourselves as topic monitors, as going off-topic isn't against our Talk Guidelines. So it isn't our plan to 'police' threads in this area to ensure that they're sufficiently serious and/or on-topic, it's more of a "nudge" and no one will get into trouble for posting in the wrong place unless of course it's a deliberate attempt to derail (see my post here by way of further explanation.

We'll give this a go and see how we get on with it. As ever we are open to further thoughts/ refinements/ general tinkering about.

Many thanks.

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TEErickOrTEEreat · 06/10/2013 11:58

Definitely off, then Rooners. I know we've spoken recently! And not just here!

Perfect Reality!!! Neat. Clean. To the point!

Rooners · 06/10/2013 11:55

I have just searched for messages by me, containing the word Tee, in the last month and it has returned zero posts.

I think their indexing is off or something, I know I have spoken to you.

Rooners · 06/10/2013 11:52

If you mean this then I didn't read the thread. I just read the OP and posted one message.

Reality · 06/10/2013 11:51

Can we not just have (eg) Stuff about kids, stuff not about kids, other stuff?

Rooners · 06/10/2013 11:49

Did I? Christ I must be more sleep deprived than I thought. Sorry.

I'll go and have a look.

TEErickOrTEEreat · 06/10/2013 11:48

Um, Rooners? You posted on at least one thread where it was discussed ad nsuseaum. You and I chatted about it at the time.

And I was quoting from Justine's OP, so I'm not sure why you're confused?

RandallPinkFloyd · 06/10/2013 11:44

Be grateful, I think there's a lot of us who wish we'd slept thought it!

NomDeClavier · 06/10/2013 11:44

IMO the topics needing pruning, which they do, is a separate debate. Nanny shares, for example, is mostly being replaced by MN local so that could just be integrate ino the existing CMs, nannies, APs etc section, and that's just one example. People may still not use them for certain subjects because they have something serious they want to talk about but don't want it to hang around forever. Or because they're just lazy and don't want to trawl through the topics. You can't really tell which.

The problem with OTBT is that you can never find it. I forget that it's there and would post in chat if I wanted something to self-combust. If this new one appears in active convos then people will use it and those who it's want to chat will steer clear.

Rooners · 06/10/2013 11:39

Evidently

RandallPinkFloyd · 06/10/2013 11:36

Have you been asleep for the last 2 weeks Rooners?

Rooners · 06/10/2013 11:35

Is it just me who has never even seen someone complaining about derailment on a chat thread?

Like, ever?

RandallPinkFloyd · 06/10/2013 11:33

And this is one of the many reasons I love MN.

Despite all the constant bloody whinging that goes on HQ really do still listen.

Even though every time they try anything new a load of posters complain about how shite it's going to be and how pointless it is, they still genuinely consider our ideas and are willing to make changes.

God knows it must be a thankless task at times and it must make them feel like telling us all to sod off. Especially because they simply cannot win whatever they do.

IMO it's definitely worth a go. If it doesn't work - it doesn't work, no harm done. If it does work then we finally put an end to all the 'derailment/STFOT' arguments.

Thanks for HQ, lord knows you deserve them!

Rooners · 06/10/2013 11:29

I'm trying really hard Tee but still don't get what you mean.

As far as I can see, we have OTBT for super serious heavy duty private stuff. That already deletes after 30.

then we have chat for chat, basically, and silly threads and so on.

This one would be for all the normal stuff that people just didn't want hanging about too long.

I personally don't get why people mind that being in chat anyway - it's not like space is limited is it?

But still. I don't want to be posting and thinking 'Oh, dear, is this in the wrong place' every time I use the new one.

It would be stuff like relationship issues, school issues that might identify, that sort of thing. Anything I didn't care about people seeing indefinitely I'd try to put in the correct topic as usual.

TEErickOrTEEreat · 06/10/2013 11:06

OTBT already deletes after 30 days.

If the original argument, which I think it was (correct me if I'm wrong Dame) was to create this topic for 'serious subjects' and to be a quick delete, inspired after all the bullying threads were 'derailed' by 'banter', then it shouldn't be used by people who just want threads to go away.

But, who decides the definition of 'serious'?

DameDeepRedBetty · 06/10/2013 09:49

Squeee! This was my idea!

SoupDragon · 06/10/2013 09:45

Why don't we just use Off The Beaten Track as Serious Chat and add the 30 or 90 day deletion?

Because no one will find your question unless you start a thread pointing them to it!

SoupDragon · 06/10/2013 09:44

Let's get rid of some of the dead weight instead and encourage people to post in the right topic!!

Except that won't provide a time limited topic that is not chat, will it? Which is the point - somewhere for people to post where the thread will disappear quickly.

Pagwatch · 06/10/2013 09:41

I think it's worth a trial

(can we subtitle it Snores and Bores?)

PeteCampbellsRecedingHairline · 06/10/2013 09:27

Why don't we just use Off The Beaten Track as Serious Chat and add the 30 or 90 day deletion?

SatinSandals · 06/10/2013 09:13

I think that you should have to go into conversations through a topic.

I have been asked why I am on a certain topic, and although I pointed out that I am entitled to an opinion on anything, I go in through 'last 15 mins'or 'unanswered questions' and don't even look at the topic.

I was the first person to reply on here-not because I was looking for 'site stuff', which would never have crossed my mind, but because I went on unanswered questions.

If I had to search for topics I would be far more selective.

Rooners · 06/10/2013 09:06

I mean which specific type of thread do you mean?

Can you give an example?

Rooners · 06/10/2013 09:06

Sorry but I still don't get why my posting stuff that's more serious than idle chatter would be misusing the new topic.

Someone needs to explain it to me in detail before I get villified.

meditrina · 06/10/2013 09:02

Topic of the week might be fun.

As might moving threads into the relevant board. MNHQ is a bit inconsistent with this - eg does it assiduously for Christmas, said it would for Royal Baby then didn't.

Some themes fit more than one topic (say coil problems could be family planning or health) but moving a useful coil discussion into say family planning means it might be found by others wanting info (after a week, it'll never been seen again - bit like the recent perimenopause thread lost in AIBU).

TEErickOrTEEreat · 06/10/2013 09:02

To quote the OP: " more-serious-than-Chat topic".

So not a hold all just because you want it gone in 30 days. A specific type of thread. Although they won't police it, just as they don't police any part of the site, but do respond to requests for topic moves.

Rooners · 06/10/2013 09:00

Not being snarky.