Primary-school places shortfall: what's happening where you live?

I am just a reasonably intelligent lay person but I cannot understand why we are building more and more family houses with no thought to the knock on effect on services. I think that planning permission for new developments should not be granted unless the builders can show that there are sufficient school places etc.

The real individual effect here is the schools changing their sibling policy so you only have priority if it is your 'nearest school'. Now, that sounds reasonable until you realise that my son's school has two school less than a mile away. There are some people who live less than half a mile from the school with siblings there and yet will be doing two school runs. Ridiculous

Also in Tameside and the situation began around the 2010 intake and has got worse every year. Ds1's school takes 15 pan, but went up to 17 last year and will be 20 this September. I know parents who have had twins spilt across schools and I also know that the secondary intake for my sons year does not have enough spaces for children in the borough.

Ds2 goes in 2015 and I'm hoping he gets in on sibling preference, but its not guaranteed and we are 2 miles away. I know his preschool has unprecedented demand for September this year.

Our council, labour for last 27 years, has been pulling down schools, combining sites into super primaries and then allowing family housing to be built on those sites. It's an utter fucking shambles.

Blu, I know exactly what new primary school you're talking about because we're literally around the corner too! How do they allocate places is that through Lambeth Council or themselves? Hopefully my youngest DD will get a place in 2015. My eldest is in a good primary and hopefully she will get into the academy!

It's very scary times indeed, but ready to fight for school places.

Quite the opposite here this year, primary has a very small reception class. DDs secondary vis looking at falling rolls for years to come.

I think there may be more tiny babies, but we got hit very hard by high rural house prices.

Many nice families forced out as anything affordable to rent was sold. Better off families choosing to go private.

We live in an affluent town in the South East which is often a target for those moving out of London, and every single primary is massively oversubscribed. There isn't a single Year 1 place in the town at the current time, and some which have taken bulge classes in previous years, have now gone back to their original PANs for September, meaning that every place will go to siblings this year. Over 80 children in the town last year were not offered any of their preference schools, and some are being bussed miles. Some parents have been forced to pay for private education, and others sit on waiting lists and home ed. The schools on the rural fringe are being 'encouraged' to expand, but the traffic congestion is already horrendous - and so set to get worse. It's not as though this wasn't forecast - the ONS had predicted a baby boom around now about 5 years ago......

I am on the committee to bring a free school to the town, to try and alleviate the pressure on the town centre, and we are oversubscribed for our September intake several times over.

Suburban Swindon here. LA is looking to build a new 2 form entry class for Sept. On top of the extra classes most of the local school took on over the last few years. It is crazy.

But they are so distracted with the acutal crisis in primary, they are not planning secondary places for all these kids. Aiming to build a new school in 2018 which means 3 years with an estimated 200 kids plus each year with no secondary place.....

West London here - almost every primary now has a bulge class, soon the juniors will follow suit and I suppose, then the secondaries. Apparently there are officially out of primary places and won't have any secondary places left by 2015.

Haven't built a school in 25 years round here - they do have one exisitng old building that is reopening as a school, but that's 30 places and 240 still not placed.

Next door borough is building a multistorey primary with an 8 form intake - that would be my definition of hell.

The independents are all full or close to full, we have gone private, though ironically we could not afford to buy a house within catchment of the nearest outstanding state primaries - £600,000 for a 3 bed house? Not many can afford that, yet still the schools are over subscribed so I assume someone can.

I also noticed the only proposed new schools are religious ones round here - so unless you have religion or money you don't have much choice.

I work in a 210 place primary school. Four of our nearby schools were forced to put on an extra reception class this year. We were told that this was a one year only solution. However I have my own suspicion that that is NOT true and we will be asked to do the same this year. It meant we had to have a large mobile put on our already diminished field. We now have no room for a proper sports day or football pitch etc. There are also issues regarding extra children in the playground- kids need room to play and if there's no space to run around ,this causes problems too.

Serious money and thought has to be put into this issue because in seven years time there's going to be even more of a hooha about secondary places than at present.They need to start planning for that now. Education authorities get numbers from the health authorities re birth rates etc so can't complain they don't know what is happening.

And stabby school is being re-opened under a federation that has transformed other schools beyond recognition.

Fingers crossed for you. PM me if you like.

x-posted with KnitCorner - based on your comments about stabby parents, I wonder if the new classes at the new all-through school might be in your general area? Those classes will probably ease up the catchments of the surrounding primaries, and maybe spread N of the S Circular?

Lambeth were in crisis a few years ago, and have actually, as far as I can see, acted quite effectively since then - a brand new two-form entry primary is opening near us in September, on the site of a well-regarded secondary, to be an 'all through school'. Meanwhile another local primary is having a new building and is part of a federation which is increasing the number of places. They have opened 2 secondaries (that I know of - Elmgreen and Evelyn Grace) ) in the last 6 years, and have another opening in September.

But as NotCitrus says, the new places may soon be taken up.

The standard of education in Lambeth schools has been rising, I think it was one of the boroughs recently revealed as a place where you had the highest chance of your child being in an 'Outstanding' school. Certainly the ones near us are excellent and very popular. But this, coupled with the financial cllimate, has stemmed the flow of children into private schools and put more pressure on places.

In neighbouring Southwark the Free School phenomenum is resulting in no less than TWO bi-lingual English / German primaries opening not far over the border from us...so all fine there as long as you are happy to choose between faith or bilingual German. No particular reason for the German except that that is the interest and expertise of the guy who started it, and they believe that bilingual edcuation per se is a good thing. With which I agree, but wouldn't have chosen German. Such is the random nature of Free Schools. That is in an area of schools shortages , too.

There is high immigration and migration in Lambeth, but very little employment. I wonder how many recent EU migrants will stay long term in Lambeth. House prices and rentals are rising, and in short supply.

Also in Lambeth here and panicking a year early for a 2014 place. I can't believe the figures now of 250k reception kids in 2014 will not get a school place. It's not like it's a suprise to anyone that all these kids exist, we knew about the baby boom in 2009/10 when they were born, how did the government believe that all these kids were going to be educated?!

We have absolutely no choice about which school ds will go to. Our closest school is 700m and we won't get in, the schools further away, have lower ofsted grades and we still won't get in. If we 'lucky' we might be offered a place at a school in special measures where parents stab each other in the classroom in front of kids.

So our choice is stabby school or cripple ourselves financially to go private.

I live in an affulent Berkshire borough and there is just one available space for a reception aged child in the entire borough.

My son started reception in 2012 but didn't get into his catchment school, or any of the other 8 schools nearest to us. He is now in a "bulge" class at a primary 5 miles away. The council had to have 3 bulge classes this year and will need at least 3 in 2013 (council prediction that at least 90 children will not get placed locally in 2013)

A group of parents like me (including me!) are currently in the process of trying to get a free school set up in our area. We have an education partner and have had our interview with the Dept. of Ed. It seems that the council don't give a toss. They are more than happy to sell off every last bit of greenery in the borough to build yet more houses on and yet haven't made any provision for where the children of these new residents are going to be schooled. Also three members of the planning committee are property developers but apparently this isn't a conflict of interest- yeah right. Makes me so angry

We are in a largish SW town and DC3 is due to start primary this September. Hopefuly at the school my older DC currantly attend.

When DS1 started school he was in a class of 23. But over the years this school has become increasingly oversubscribed. Last year the majority of the places were taken by siblings of existing pupils. Hopefully my DS will get a place due to sibling priority.

I don't know what the council are doing about rising numbers. But when DS1 started school they were trying to close a local school due to low numbers...

Huge problem in Tameside, Gtr Manchester, gone are the days when you were guaranteed to get your child into the local primary up the road.It is also difficult to register with a Doctor and Dentist, too few resources for too many people.

Rural East Anglia, Only very rarely oversubbed. Not even at high school age.

Our school has created an extra Reception/Y1 class this year because of an oversubscribed Reception year, moving six of the Y1 kids, three each into two R/Y1 classes. The parents of Y1 kids who have been moved are NOT happy and the children themselves don't seem to be getting the extra support and benefits that they were promised when this solution was sold to them and several have found the move very upsetting. The straight Y1 children now have a much smaller class but have also been put into a much smaller classroom, and they seem to have lost a TA for at least some of the week. The playground is absolutely packed.

Large south east town here.

We moved here last August and none of our 3 children could get school places within the town.

Yr3 DD was out of school until November.
Yr2 DS was out of school until February (the week before half term) and
Yr1 DD was out of school until this week!!

They are now split between 2 schools and school runs are an utter nightmare.

We were offered a place for them all at a school in a different town that we had no way to get to and also happens to be a failing school that is in special measures.

The situation here is appaling and the county council are doing nothing about it!

West London - you have to live within 300 meters of DD's school to get in! It's small (one class per year) and has no room physically for expansion.

Most other schools in the area are much much bigger. I feel lucky to get her in there - but we need to move (need 2 bed flat) and I'm worried about changing schools as the one she has is so so lovely - much different to how the media portrays primary schools.

Rural area. Parish cunts council are opposing the expansion of the school (needed to accomodate/improve facilities for existing children, not just due to the additional children) because the school is the font of all evil causing parking problems apparently (not the commuters using the free village car park all day instead of the station one, oh no).

I live in a very suburban 'home-counties' town near gatwick within commuting distance of London. It is a baby breeding ground due to location.

Local councils insisting that schools have additional classrooms (read portacabins). I know a local governor who says that for next academic year not enough places for all reception children locally. Even the independents are over- subscribed!

The local authority has tried to find alternative sites but afaik level of public opposition waged against the proposed sites was excessive. People don't want the traffic and disruption near them.

Very very stressful. Think the education system is at melting point.

Just for balance, we're in the home counties and the schools in and around our town are NOT generally full and people can move between schools easily. You might not always get your first choice of school (particularly if you're applying from out of catchment) but there will be a school place for you. Most of the classes at my DDs school are smaller than 30.

My town is ok but where I work there was real problems last year and catchments were getting smaller meaning people were passing a couple of schools to get to ones with places. Lots of these were from housing estates that were getting expanded too.

How depressing, my DD1 is due to start school in 2014, the choice of schools near us isn't good, and now it seems they are going to be over crowded too! Hopeless government, when will they actually start helping the people?!