Child-free flight zones: what do you think?

I would worry about the safety point if view. If all the vulnerable parties are grouped together, (without exta staff to help) . I would worry that people with children particularly more than one child per adult would find it more difficult to evacuate the plane in case if an emergency.

Ok. This will get me flamed.
I travel lots - work not choice - and badly behaved children drove me nuts. I will say they were in the minority as most were lovely.
So when I had first DC I wondered if I would feel the same about mine on planes. I did! So they behave. There was nothing I could about sore ears when little on way up and down - I fed them when tiny, gave them something to suck when older - but other than that they are brilliant. Because they know both I and DH will flip if they aren't.
Yes we plan well, take things to occupy them, plan meals, chose best flight times etc.
DD 1 was foul once - and was banned from TV on the connecting flight. She has never done it again.
To be fair, it all became much much easier (for DH and me!) when DC1 and 2 old enough to read and better still when we could carry kindles rather than bags of books, colouring, playing cards etc. toys that didn't have tiny bits so I had to crawl around picking them up!
We all take turns with DC3 and all cnt wait for her to read properly - close now, can't wait
So no. I would be v sad if they banned DCs or corralled them in special areas.
I'm with the others who find badly behaved adults worse!
And I should probably have name changed for this .....

I've always hated the kid-kicking-your-seat thing. Whilst I will agree that adults can do many annoying things on flights, nothing annoys me as much as the kicking and I've never had an adult kick my seat. (I'm not sure it's anatomically possible given the ridiculously tiny amount of legroom in cattle class!)

I've always done my best to avoid kids on flights because of the potential kicking, and now that I have a DC of my own I would be extremely annoyed if a flight attendant tried to move me into an area with lots of other families. I would be almost guaranteed to have a DC behind me then.

My LO is too young for kicking, but when she's older I will be enforcing a zero-tolerance policy with regard to her kicking anyone else's seat. I'll also be working hard to make sure she is quiet but happy and entertained throughout the flight. So far we've been on two 10.5 hour flights, when she was 5mo, and she was an angel (although keeping her that way was pretty exhausting for me - she barely slept at all!). Naturally I appreciate this will get harder as she gets older! Despite this I fully agree that it's the parent's responsibility (as far as possible) to keep their DC from being antisocial. Being forced into a "family zone" would put me at the mercy of the parenting skills, or lack thereof, of all the other people with kids on every flight I use! Why should parents of well-behaved* DCs be forced to sit with badly-behaved DCs?! What makes this more acceptable than a person travelling without kids having to sit by badly-behaved kids?!

*Please note, I believe 99% of DC (including my DD) are "well-behaved" some days and little terrors on other days! I'm not suggesting there are separate types of "well-behaved" vs "naughty" DC, I'm simply referring to their behaviour for the duration of the flight they're on.

I agree it's the parents not the children who cause the problem. Some parents think the cabin crew are child minders and board the plane expecting them to look after their children. The parents get on the plane, stick their headphones on and simply ignore their children for the entire trip, while the kids kick the seats, stand up, jump up and down. It's unbelievable. I've asked parents to ask their children to stop dropping their books on me, and the parents response is pretty dismissive.

I've travelled every year or so to Australia with mine (since they were 6 months) but's it's a marathon. I spent 6 hours playing showing the eldest (at 18months) how to do up and undo her seatbelt .. over and over and over .... but she was quiet. Since then we take loads of little things, watch lots of videos and keep chatting very quietly.

The worst thing was a young, drunk couple, who kept dropping their 6 week old on the floor!!! it was too turbulent to use the cots and she kept sliding off their laps onto the floor.

I think it's a fabulous idea, but TBH don't think a 'quiet zone' on a flight will work - it needs to be an entire section of the plane, bulkhead-to-bulkhead. We flew a military transport flight once, they divided the plane in half - front section was solo fliers and medevacs, the back section - about 2/3 of the plane - was families. There was an impromptu 'creche' anywhere there was a space i.e in front of the doors, they had child-friendly programmes on for the entire flight, and when someone's baby was screaming, they got sympathetic looks instead of annoyed ones.

I know they won't do that on commercial flights, but it was the best flight I've ever been on.

I think it's outrageous if you have paid for business/first that flight crew can reseat you in economy, even if they offer compensation - you chose to fly business, and if you had known you would be moved, you could have booked with a different airline which doesn't have that policy. Does SAS make it clear when you book that that can happen? I would have been livid. (my days of flying business with the DCs are over, but we regularly flew Virgin Upper Class and Qantas business when they were little and were never made to feel we shouldn't be there)

GreenEggs The best advice I can give for flying with children is pick your flight times carefully. I will only do direct when possible. DH likes to fly up to his parents from Copenhagen. I insist we take the train so DD gets a chance to run around outside.

The other thing to remember is that there are no discounts for children now on most flights. People should be thanking families who fly. I joke with DH that if he wants 4 DCs we will need a private plane. It will certainly be cheaper.

To the poster who said children can go in 1st/business... not with SAS. It is up to the crew to decide if you can sit there. They took one look at DD and decided to put me in economy. I had DD in her PJ's and ready to sleep. Would have been a much better flight for everyone if we had been in business with both of us on a flat bed.

Agreed Dragon.

Allowing more legroom would sort that. Sometimes there isn't even enough room for my legs and I'm sure my knees in the back of the seat feel like I'm kicking it. So, if you book yourself into 1st/business/premium economy you should be fine.

I don't mind noise, but I can't stand the back of my seat kicked or swung on. Please someone arrange a solution for this.

I think old people and anyone with mobility problems should be banned from flights. They just get in the way as they are too slow.
Also, certain nationalities who eat too much garlic - they smell.
Men, generally too - they fart too much.
Actually, I think everyone should be banned except for me and my family.

I think the idea is great, Could they have a none reclineable seat zone too??

fedup you're right, it takes a whole lot of work to keep a child happy on a flight. Flying now for me is far more exhausting than it ever was- not only is it physically tiring but just having to have my brain switched on the entire time is very draining. DS has, touch wood, been excellent on flights so far (transatlantic, to visit family, and shorter flights as well) but it's always a dance of stickers, colouring, games, etc to get him that way. And does he sleep on an overnight flight? heck no.

I also concur, the sound of someone else's child acting up is just the sound of someone else's problem, to me. :) Even if I don't have DS with me and am pretending I'm childless and fancy free. Before I had DS, the vast majority of my irritations on flights (and I flew quite a lot) were caused by adults. Or large groups of teenagers (not hating on teens btw, I did a few flights at that age in groups and remember the excitement of it all).

I would love to request the no-reclining zone. I'm tall but I assume my legs must be exceptionally long or airlines are so fucking focused on profit margins that they cram seats in to inhumane levels, because a reclined seat always bashes right into my knees. Excruciating for a long-haul flight.

A no fat people flight for me please, I'm sick of having a sweaty body pressed up against me for hours on end.

Children are not the only group that are annoying but they are easily identifiable.

Other people's kids don't tend to annoy me. If they are screaming or making a mess, need their nappies changed or require feeding or entertaining, then it's not something I have to do and I just feel empathy with their parents. My child can be a total angel or a holy terror...being 2 and all!

But i have to say people who hate kids / find them annoying or offensive are annoying and offensive to me.

I have had some hideous flights, but none related to children. Except where it has been for useless parents.

My children are a delight (!!) on flights. Seriously, they are generally good, and love flying. But as others have said, this doesn't always make for an easy flight - I have had to work bloody hard! And DH once read Where's Spot about 100x (and that was only coming back from Dublin!)

I hate the idea of being coralled with other badly behaved children / useless parents.

However, when I am on my own, it is like flying first class (not that I have done so) because all I have to do is read my book and ignore others. When I hear a squawking child, I think, "HURRAH, it's not mine!!!"

I think it misses the point that children are far from the only annoyance when flying, I have had rubbish flights because the parents of the child behind didn't stop him/her banging the tray up and down or kicking the seat - but also because the person sitting next to me drank for the first hour and then snored for the rest, while falling into my seat and another lovely long-haul next to someone who vomited for about 10 hours...

Btw I miss having kids able to come and visit 'the box.' Without exception, children going on holiday are funny, polite, excited and a pleasure to be around. Adults on flights are often a royal pain in the bottom.

I work on aeroplanes, and have had far more trouble with the adult passengers than I ever had with children. It wasn't families misbehaving, either, that I've had to call the police for! At the end of the day, aeroplanes are just very fancy public transport. Everyone should be able to use it. Even children!

I think this is a fab idea. And am failing to see why people are raising such objections.
There are plently of other places that don't allow children. There are plenty of holiday firms that offer childfree holidays/adult only holidays.
Not everyone has children, likes children, or wants to be with children.
I quite like being without mine, sometimes, thank you very much.

There are plenty of flights. For you, em , our children.
And this is just another option that is being offred, that might appeal to some people.

Child free places and child free restaurants appeal to me. We take our kids to places. But sometimes I go, with a friend or my mum and I don't wish to have children there. I'm tryingto escape them!!

So I think this idea is perfectly fine.

Children can fly in business and first too, y'know.

In general I am pro childfree things - I like childfree time. but I think this is different because flying is not about leisure, it is about getting from A to B, and it restricts families' options to do this. Also, it sends bad messages to (bad) parents about children's behaviour - it's a short of shrugged acceptance that children will be horrible, whereas in fact many families try very hard not to be annoying and many childfree people try very hard to be accommodating, and those stances should be encouraged rather than marginalised.

Eg for the restaurant analogy: children should try to be reasonably pleasant when in Pizza Express, where people are just trying to have a nice lunch. They should not be taken into dinner time at elegant restaurants, where people are going to spend 3 hours eating and drinking slowly in their loveliest clothes and gazing into each other's eyes. Once in a while in a hot day they will go a bit mental with ice lollies in the garden in their bathing suits. This argument implies that all child-friendly flights should be like the garden on the hot day. I think they should be like pizza express.

Have flown a lot in the past year with DD who is now 18 months old - around 30K miles in total....

The airlines don't help the situation at all. Some airlines, such as Air Canada are wonderful. I am happy to name and shame SAS as the most young child unfriendly airline known to man. I loved that we bought a seat for our DD (business class) only to be thrown into the back and given a partial refund instead of a full refund for DD's seat and a partial refund based on the difference between the cost of the economy and business seat on the day we booked for mine. If children are not allowed in business class then why sell us the darn seat in the first place?!? Oh and then I had to have DD on my lap for the 8hr flight. I was 'only' 5 months pregnant. When DD howled because the stewardess made me wait 20mins for water to make up her bottle I was so fed up I let her scream her lungs out as it was the only way to get things moving.

Oh and the other thing is that SAS never let us board first. Every other airline in the world lets you on first so you can get your child settled. Heck, Air Canada provided assistance this summer to help me get from one end of the airport to the other to make a connection. They had someone at the gate to carry the handluggage and help me through security because I was on my own with DD.