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MN allows racism to stand

605 replies

amillionyears · 13/11/2012 14:50

I have reported it 3 times today, 1 before 9am.
Heard nothing from them.

OP posts:
EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 14/11/2012 13:55

Thank you Thanks and

Come & visit the Puddle some time & try out our hot tub Grin

MNHQ
HelenMumsnet · 14/11/2012 13:54

@EmpressOfTheSevenOceans

That makes sense, thank you.

While we're on the subject of personal attacks, could you go & look at this? It's the nastiest one I've seen in ages.

Already done.

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 14/11/2012 13:52

That makes sense, thank you.

While we're on the subject of personal attacks, could you go & look at this? It's the nastiest one I've seen in ages.

MNHQ
HelenMumsnet · 14/11/2012 13:48

@EmpressOfTheSevenOceans

Ok. And I bet you're very beautiful.

But I still think being called an ugly cow is a lot more upsetting than being called mad as a box of frogs.

Yes, we see that. But it's perfectly possible that others may say it's more upsetting to be called mad than ugly.

If we start getting into degrees of upset-ness, it would be a minefield.

Much simpler, and hopefully clearer all round, to have a blanket rule that all personal attacks, wherever they feature on anyone's personal scale of offensiveness, break our guidelines, and will be deleted when reported.

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 14/11/2012 13:36

Ok. And I bet you're very beautiful.

But I still think being called an ugly cow is a lot more upsetting than being called mad as a box of frogs.

MNHQ
HelenMumsnet · 14/11/2012 13:33

@EmpressOfTheSevenOceans

I get that, Helen. And thank you for coming on the thread.

If I want to express negative opinions I'm very careful to use Justine's "Your post makes you sound like [simile of choice] and here's why."

But honestly, mad as a box of frogs? When it wasn't even the froggee who objected?

Does that mean that if we were messing around in the Puddle and I called State or Bonkey or someone norty, and some random poster noticed it & objected, it would get deleted?

No, cos (hopefully) we'd see that the context was affectionate and jokey and not personal attacky

HoneyDragon · 14/11/2012 13:33

Aaaaaaw Helen, you is bootiful and luffley.

MNHQ
HelenMumsnet · 14/11/2012 13:31

@HoneyDragon

What about,

I think Bof was correct in her assumption you are a poo poo head

Is that a stealth attack by proxy or is it allowed? Grin

Even if I am a poo poo head, it's a personal attack to call me one.

So, I could be as ugly as sin but "You ugly cow, HelenMumsnet" is still deletable.

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 14/11/2012 13:30

I get that, Helen. And thank you for coming on the thread.

If I want to express negative opinions I'm very careful to use Justine's "Your post makes you sound like [simile of choice] and here's why."

But honestly, mad as a box of frogs? When it wasn't even the froggee who objected?

Does that mean that if we were messing around in the Puddle and I called State or Bonkey or someone norty, and some random poster noticed it & objected, it would get deleted?

MNHQ
HelenMumsnet · 14/11/2012 13:30

@AlienRefluxovermypoppy

Yes, but mad as a box of frogs?? Is that really an insult even? Esp, when she was !!

"You are as mad as a box of frogs" = personal attack (unless context makes it clear it's meant affectionately or summat)

"Your opinions on this issue are as mad as a box of frogs" = NOT a personal attack.

MNHQ
HelenMumsnet · 14/11/2012 13:28

@BOFingSanta

What about "That makes you sound like a poo-poo head, HelenMumsnet"?

Depends on the context, BOFingSanta. Only a poo thread, for example...

FunnysInLaJardin · 14/11/2012 13:25

I thought the official line was 'you sound like a twat total idiot and here's a convincing argument why'

HoneyDragon · 14/11/2012 13:21

What about,

I think Bof was correct in her assumption you are a poo poo head

Is that a stealth attack by proxy or is it allowed? Grin

AlienRefluxovermypoppy · 14/11/2012 13:21

Yes, but mad as a box of frogs?? Is that really an insult even? Esp, when she was !!

BOFingSanta · 14/11/2012 13:18

What about "That makes you sound like a poo-poo head, HelenMumsnet"?

MNHQ
HelenMumsnet · 14/11/2012 13:15

@EmpressOfTheSevenOceans

I was quite surprised that HQ even accepted that being a personal attack really.

OK, just to clear this one up...

A personal attack is an attack on another poster that focuses on their person, rather than their opinion.

It doesn't have to include swearing. Although it might.

So:

"You are a cow, HelenMumsnet" = personal attack

"You are a fucking cow, HelenMumsnet" = personal attack

"Your opinions are ridiculous, HelenMumsnet" = NOT a personal attack

"Your opinions are fucking ridiculous, HelenMumsnet" = NOT a personal attack

Fenton · 14/11/2012 12:58

I'm sure amillion isn't deliberately on the wind-up.

I think I remember her saying before (when it was being discussed about po) that she knows she has no sense of humour (I think she was being quite serious) - perhaps this has contributed to her misunderstanding of the frogs comment?

I really don't think she's doing this to get backs up - although I can understand that this is what is happening.

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 14/11/2012 12:32

Just looked at her previous posts & she's really not though, is she?

I'm almost tempted to start a thread in Site Stuff about what does & doesn't constitute a PA.

AlienRefluxovermypoppy · 14/11/2012 12:25

I almost wish she was greeneyes would make much much more sense.

AlienRefluxovermypoppy · 14/11/2012 12:24

How can 'mad as a box of frogs' be a PA, but naming two posters, as racists isn't?!

Or does someone have to report it?

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 14/11/2012 11:42

But 'mad as a box of frogs' doesn't even contain a fuck! I'd have thought it could even be affectionate. As in "Ooh, that Hullygully, she's mad as a box of frogs..."

I think HQ should have left it up unless the person who was actually being addressed was really upset about it. And she seemed to be too busy being upset about MN being meh2 to worry about frogs in boxes.

GreenyEyes · 14/11/2012 11:39

Fwiw I think this OP is a wind up merchant

GreenyEyes · 14/11/2012 11:39

MrsWembley think back...

Did you by chance call someone a 'silly billy'?

A 'daft narna' perchance?

A 'bit of a wally'?

Y'know, the kind of phrase that MNHQ now seem to agree is a 'personal attack' Hmm

SoupDragon · 14/11/2012 11:38

If you email MNHQ, they will tell you IME.

MrsWembley · 14/11/2012 11:34

Oh fuck!

I always consider myself to be pretty mild really.

Apart from the occasional fuck...

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