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Troll-hunting and subsequent Thread-ruining

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oneofsuesylvesterscheerios · 07/04/2012 16:42

Yes, in some ways this is a thread about a thread, although its actually an interesting general point too. Plus, I don't want to carry on the discussion on the actual thread as it would be too damaging and would take it off in a completely different direction.

So... If a poster broke the rules and shouted troll, and then they were chastised (rightly) and the post removed, unless the offending surrounding comments reacting to the troll-hunt are removed too, the damage has been done surely?

We assume when someone posts regarding a personal trauma that they are telling the truth (well I hope we do) and if we suspect anything, we surely just ignore these days: we know the MN guidelines, etc.

And we know that certain situations in life happen to a lot of people (bereavement, loss, break-ups, etc). So when someone goes through a horrible time, the beauty of MN is that we don't just get sympathy and unmumsnetty hugs; we get empathy from folk who have been there themselves. We also often get bloody good advice, practical and emotional.

A thread that contains an accusation of troll-hunting is blindingly obvious even when the offending poster's comments have been removed. And thus, the damage is done.

When my dad died last I had some fantastic support from mnetters who'd suffered the loss of a parent and knew how 'rootless' it can make you. I'd have been confused and beyond upset if anyone had questioned my grief online. It doesn't matter how many positive posters there are on thread; just one snarky comment and the wave of a pitchfork is enough to send the OP packing, at a time when they might need the 'anonymous' support of MN most.

So, what I'm asking MN Towers is: if troll-hunting is banned, and it's fully acknowledged how damaging this could be on a thread that offers support to lots of people, often not just the OP, shouldn't all references and posts regarding an accusation be completely removed so the thread can remain intact and totally focused on the thread subject? Otherwise, it seems pointless.

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ToothbrushThief · 08/04/2012 17:09

I just think some people have been made cynical by their own experiences and are a bit troll sensitive and others (myself included here) are probably a bit too tolerant and give benefit of doubt.

I have no issue with anyone coming onto a thread and saying this is a bit unsafe. What I do think is odd is the need to proclaim it on a thread where the only apparent risk is about 5 posters coming on and saying how are you feeling today?

The only motive I can see is a personal one - acted out of the belief that it is a troll but delivered to satisfy your own annoyance at the 'troll' getting away with it.

From my point of view I'd rather see a more carefully worded warning rather than the usual delivered sneer.

I am trying to see both points of view here (honest) whilst still reeling at the idea that some posters pair of socks for the family instead of just hurling the bundle into their rooms for them to sort themselves

WishingRLwouldFuckOff · 08/04/2012 16:55

Breadbiscuit - mostly it isn't troll hunting it is more of a case that the posters read a hell of a lot of threads and thus more likely to come into contact with the dodgey ones. I know that in the last couple of weeks I have been jumping up and down all over the red button on threads all over the place. And a lot of posts and a ever some threads have been deleted as a direct result. I don't think that there is necessarily more trolls more that I am more all over the boards then I used to be.

WishingRLwouldFuckOff · 08/04/2012 16:53

And there will always be newbies who haven't seen the troll before and don't know their style. I have seen trolls come back and unprecedented MNHQ actually commenting on threads that said poster is a troll (it has happened 3 times that I know of and only in incredibly exceptional cases). HQ just don't do it. But I am pretty certain they are getting pissed off having to block the same old trolls.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 16:52

I find it hard to understand why people are so passionately devoted to troll hunting, that's it in a nutshell. I can see that it's seen by those who do it as an essential service to keep the site as troll-free as possible; but surely the debate is: is it effective? And is it in the site's best interests?

ArtexMonkey · 08/04/2012 16:45

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breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 16:41

But why hasn't he been banned?

And why do you think reporting isn't effective?

usualsuspect · 08/04/2012 16:40

Not everyone knows hes a troll though , which is why a heads up on a thread is sometimes a good thing imo

everlong · 08/04/2012 16:40

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breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 16:38

By "ignore", I mean report and walk away, leaving it to MNHQ to sort it out.

I see no problem with PMing someone who looks like they're going to send money, although I find it odd that that is as common as people say.

Artex, why hasn't that regular troll been banned? And if people didn't bump his threads, wouldn't he go away?

OracleOnACrossacle · 08/04/2012 16:35

Artex, yep, yep!

OracleOnACrossacle · 08/04/2012 16:34

say, you saw other posters on the bereavement topic getting emotionally involved with a poster like Dizzy, and things didnt add up. MNHQ responded with "we'll look into it" would you PM?

FWIW, there are threads I would NEVER call troll on. I report, I might post, but never troll-hunt.

ArtexMonkey · 08/04/2012 16:34

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everlong · 08/04/2012 16:31

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OracleOnACrossacle · 08/04/2012 16:29

everlong, but what if you saw posters you cared about getting involved?

everlong · 08/04/2012 16:27

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breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 16:25

Surely trolls have no incentive to come back if they're ignored?

OracleOnACrossacle · 08/04/2012 16:11

remember one poster who was a regular troll gloating that she could just keep coming back, like

OracleOnACrossacle · 08/04/2012 16:09

wishing, Grin

tbh, they arent even original anymore!

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 16:05

Well, you know, trust no-one, they're all trolls....

WishingRLwouldFuckOff · 08/04/2012 16:05

Oracle, let the trolls have to at least engage their brains to get around the ban, even if it isn't rocket science.

OracleOnACrossacle · 08/04/2012 16:05

why?

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 16:04

I think that's a bit of a bunker mentality, tbh.

WishingRLwouldFuckOff · 08/04/2012 16:04

because it is easy enough to come back. Again and again.

Oracle - I remember that troll. Made me very very very Angry her view was everyone on the internet was lying and that most people were just trying out novels. FFS!!!! Angry

Toothbrush - more of a case how long can you ignore pairing socks before it gets to the point of ridiculousness. I swear it's the sock pile's fault that we are over run with coat hangers.

OracleOnACrossacle · 08/04/2012 16:02

beacuse its not that hard to get around a banning. HQ ban the IP address, doesnt stop someone resetting it, or getting a new router. Hmm

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 15:57

Grin Edam.

Surely trolls are banned, Oracle? So how can they be still here?

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