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Troll-hunting and subsequent Thread-ruining

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oneofsuesylvesterscheerios · 07/04/2012 16:42

Yes, in some ways this is a thread about a thread, although its actually an interesting general point too. Plus, I don't want to carry on the discussion on the actual thread as it would be too damaging and would take it off in a completely different direction.

So... If a poster broke the rules and shouted troll, and then they were chastised (rightly) and the post removed, unless the offending surrounding comments reacting to the troll-hunt are removed too, the damage has been done surely?

We assume when someone posts regarding a personal trauma that they are telling the truth (well I hope we do) and if we suspect anything, we surely just ignore these days: we know the MN guidelines, etc.

And we know that certain situations in life happen to a lot of people (bereavement, loss, break-ups, etc). So when someone goes through a horrible time, the beauty of MN is that we don't just get sympathy and unmumsnetty hugs; we get empathy from folk who have been there themselves. We also often get bloody good advice, practical and emotional.

A thread that contains an accusation of troll-hunting is blindingly obvious even when the offending poster's comments have been removed. And thus, the damage is done.

When my dad died last I had some fantastic support from mnetters who'd suffered the loss of a parent and knew how 'rootless' it can make you. I'd have been confused and beyond upset if anyone had questioned my grief online. It doesn't matter how many positive posters there are on thread; just one snarky comment and the wave of a pitchfork is enough to send the OP packing, at a time when they might need the 'anonymous' support of MN most.

So, what I'm asking MN Towers is: if troll-hunting is banned, and it's fully acknowledged how damaging this could be on a thread that offers support to lots of people, often not just the OP, shouldn't all references and posts regarding an accusation be completely removed so the thread can remain intact and totally focused on the thread subject? Otherwise, it seems pointless.

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usualsuspect · 08/04/2012 18:30

The trolls are the problem , not the troll hunters.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:29

Ruining a thread is much the same as deleting it. So in that way, moderation is happening already.

kickmewhenimdown · 08/04/2012 18:29

I dont think anyone agrees with trolling, unless i missed something?

usualsuspect · 08/04/2012 18:29

Well I don't agree with trolling

kickmewhenimdown · 08/04/2012 18:27

I absolutely don't doubt that some people get sucked in, but at the end of the day they are a fully grown adult posting in an unvetted forum to basically other anonymous people. If what they are posting could result in any way them being emotionally hurt then they need to seriously reconsider what it is they are posting. I just dont agree that some posters should have the right to throw troll accusations at other posters based on gut feeling (regardless if they are right or wrong).

PaquesJeLeVauxBien · 08/04/2012 18:26

But thread deleters would absolutely be moderators! I agree with usual - the joy of MN is that it is lightly moderated. Far better to let the responsibility for deletion lie with fewer people, so that the style is as consistent as possible.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:24

And suspected troll threads are being "moderated" in a way.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:23

Yes, fair enough. But thread deleters aren't moderators.

usualsuspect · 08/04/2012 18:22

The reason I use MN is because it has no moderators.

Appoint moderators and I'm off.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:21

No, but it could be given to them.

The main complaint in favour of troll hunting is that MNHQ don't delete quickly enough.

If Tsarinas had that power, it would be a great deal quicker.

PaquesJeLeVauxBien · 08/04/2012 18:18

I doubt it - I doubt any of the Tsarinas signed up for that kind of role/responsibility!

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:16

It's horrible to watch a non-troll being torn to pieces.

So if Tsarinas could delete threads, would that work?

PaquesJeLeVauxBien · 08/04/2012 18:08

All of that is true, kickme, but the fact remains that people do get sucked in, and it's horrible to watch it happening.

And there are definitely times of the day/week when it takes MNHQ much longer to respond.

I don't like troll hunting, and the way in which it can sometimes be done here, but I think sometimes it's better to try and make some kind of post that might help to alert other posters to at least stop and think a little.

kickmewhenimdown · 08/04/2012 18:04

I dont really agree with troll hunting and think that if a poster suspects a troll, should keep it to themselves but report immediately. It is then up to MNHQ to decide whether it is a troll or not and take appropriate action. If MNHQ cant prove troll then I dont see how a poster feels better equipped to do so. I understand it may be difficult to read other posters giving heart felt advice but surely as an adult using the internet, any poster has to take some basis precautions including the fact that some posters may not be genuine, and proceed on that basis (and I would rather MNHQ had a general sticky sticky listing some internet precautions rather than random posters casting their personal beliefs about other posters, no matter how sure their gut feelings are) and im sorry if this offends anyone, but re the above where a poster sent her sister with a change of clothes. Really? Isnt that one of the absolute basics we teach our children - never, ever, ever arrange to meet someone we only know through the internet? For an adult this should be common sense, and if not, they should not be on the internet. I get this is a site where people want to help each other, but at the end of the day it is an site which does not vet its members, and any poster could be anyone hiding behind a screen name. I think letting a trolls thread run until it has been proved troll by MNHQ, even if that means some posters unwittingly offer advice is the lesser evil compared to having posters throwing accusations and potentially destroying the chances of a genuine poster looking for help.

everlong · 08/04/2012 17:43

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WishingRLwouldFuckOff · 08/04/2012 17:40

I remember that. I actually read op, thought Hmm and walked away from the thread. Can't recall if I hid it or not. It moved stupidly fast and a lot of people were shocked it was a troll. Said troll keeps popping back for poo threads don't they? I always view those threads with a Hmm and ignore or hide.

Importantly though that thread happened during the day and it was still moving too fast for HQ. Those that happen at night are a real problem as recent vile trolls have proven, and no one could mistake them for anything but

everlong · 08/04/2012 17:39

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LadyBeagleEyes · 08/04/2012 17:19

A poster wh

LadyBeagleEyes · 08/04/2012 17:18

Good post Artex.
Or what about the poster above who want's to visit a poster in rl, as she's so concerned about her?
A poster has conveniently disappeared.

everlong · 08/04/2012 17:16

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breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 17:14

Yes, I think generally it's better to exercise some control over what you post.

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