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Troll-hunting and subsequent Thread-ruining

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oneofsuesylvesterscheerios · 07/04/2012 16:42

Yes, in some ways this is a thread about a thread, although its actually an interesting general point too. Plus, I don't want to carry on the discussion on the actual thread as it would be too damaging and would take it off in a completely different direction.

So... If a poster broke the rules and shouted troll, and then they were chastised (rightly) and the post removed, unless the offending surrounding comments reacting to the troll-hunt are removed too, the damage has been done surely?

We assume when someone posts regarding a personal trauma that they are telling the truth (well I hope we do) and if we suspect anything, we surely just ignore these days: we know the MN guidelines, etc.

And we know that certain situations in life happen to a lot of people (bereavement, loss, break-ups, etc). So when someone goes through a horrible time, the beauty of MN is that we don't just get sympathy and unmumsnetty hugs; we get empathy from folk who have been there themselves. We also often get bloody good advice, practical and emotional.

A thread that contains an accusation of troll-hunting is blindingly obvious even when the offending poster's comments have been removed. And thus, the damage is done.

When my dad died last I had some fantastic support from mnetters who'd suffered the loss of a parent and knew how 'rootless' it can make you. I'd have been confused and beyond upset if anyone had questioned my grief online. It doesn't matter how many positive posters there are on thread; just one snarky comment and the wave of a pitchfork is enough to send the OP packing, at a time when they might need the 'anonymous' support of MN most.

So, what I'm asking MN Towers is: if troll-hunting is banned, and it's fully acknowledged how damaging this could be on a thread that offers support to lots of people, often not just the OP, shouldn't all references and posts regarding an accusation be completely removed so the thread can remain intact and totally focused on the thread subject? Otherwise, it seems pointless.

OP posts:
PinotCantDoEasterNamesSoGaveUp · 08/04/2012 22:41

How can HQ know if it's definitely not a troll though? Just that the IP address hasn't previously been used for trolling.

Doesn't prove owt. You have to trust your own judgement.

Or just ignore the Relationships board like wot I do :)

SuePurblybiltFromChocolate · 08/04/2012 22:40

It means the OP wasn't a known troll, presumably. MNHQ can hardly look through the laptop screen and see is she actually what she says she is - anymore than they can see if I am really a size ten and fabulous.

It doesn't follow that every thread left standing is genuine.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 22:38

But doesn't the fact that the thread is still standing mean that MNHQ have checked it out, and the OP is not a troll? So is a genuine poster, in genuine distress, who has been hounded off MN?

SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:38

Oh yes, yes I do. But I'm not going to say because it's sort of like a guidebook for trolling, as was said oop thread.

SuePurblybiltFromChocolate · 08/04/2012 22:37

Whaaaaaaaat? to breadbiscuit's Piers Morgan impression.

everlong · 08/04/2012 22:37

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LadyBeagleEyes · 08/04/2012 22:37

Why would she feel sorry for the op if she thinks it's made up though?

SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:36

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat what?

No I don't bread. Not at all.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 22:36

Do you know what made you call troll on that thread, when you never usually do it?

2ombie5layer · 08/04/2012 22:36

Obviously I know we're aware of the rules of just reporting etc. But how many posts do people report? Im worried of over reporting even though Ive only ever reported once.

SuePurblybiltFromChocolate · 08/04/2012 22:36

Whaaaaaaat?

SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:35

No he doesn't have a bib, Dulling. He's not a poodle either, just a vair small mutanty thing that is v luffed.

S'a burden though, all the luffz. Terrible price to pay for one's beauty. Old Samanfa had a point.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 22:34

Do you now feel a bit sorry for the OP on that other thread?

SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:32

Problem is bread, as has been said further back, it can be impossible to prove. If it's the only thread made, and the IP address is new/not linkable, then there's no actual proof. Nothing more than a gut feeling combined with seeing the usual signs.

But it is sick, sick, sick when people get dragged into it. And anyone who knows me knows that I don't actually call troll usually, I just report. So calling me a troll hunter and a bully is pure fiction.

everlong · 08/04/2012 22:31

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SecretNutellaFix · 08/04/2012 22:31

Stratters is a bully?

Fuck, that means I am 6ft tall, blonde, size 8 and my husband is a multi-millionaire.

Hmm
everlong · 08/04/2012 22:30

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SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:28

Do you, do you really ever? I can bore you a whooole lot more with that. [bugrin]

He's had a haircut today (well last night) but no bath, no time for that, he was invited to Easter lunch at Granny's.

He gets his own place sitting, and she bought him a pretty china bowl for when he is at her house.

LadyBeagleEyes · 08/04/2012 22:27

That Stratters is one scary fucker [wunk]

SuePurblybiltFromChocolate · 08/04/2012 22:25

No, the POST is deleted - the one attacking Stratts. The thread is still there.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 22:24

It hasn't been deleted.

Presumably because it wasn't started by a troll; but it would help if MNHQ could confirm that the OP wasn't a troll, since it was obviously very strongly "felt" that she was. Apparently. I've only just read it.

SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:24

I didn't even know this thread existed until a little while ago, I never bother with Site Stuff.

Thank you, dullings.

everlong · 08/04/2012 22:24

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PinotCantDoEasterNamesSoGaveUp · 08/04/2012 22:22

Stupid RL.

And none of you bastards told me?

SuePurblybiltFromChocolate · 08/04/2012 22:20

It's deleted, Pinot.

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