The Name Mumsnet sexist?

I'm also reliably told that there is not a single shred if coconut on the Bounty website.

I said that I can still shop there. Obviously I don't.

Baby centre isn't just posted on by babies
iVillage is posted on by people who live in towns.
NetMums is posted on by men, women and not all of them have nets.

Just saying.

Have you complained to F4J that their name is sexist? All of your arguments apply equally to them and they have women supporters too. Or are you able to see past their name?

I am intrigued by this "Dads can do things mums just cant (or find it less natural) and likewise for mums.". Well, women can give birth and breastfeed and men can provide the Y chromosome but, apart from that, I'm struggling to think of anything.

soupy. No. You can't. You aren't mentioned in the name. You can't go in there. Don't you understand?

Well, I am called neither Mark nor Spencer yet I can still shop in M&S.

Tough shit, basically.

You're just going to have to hate it. I seriously doubt the owners of a very successful business are going to rebrand because you've joined to say you don't like the logo and name.

It says mumsnet but people who are dads are here
It says by parents for parents but people who are not even parents are here

If you can't see past a name to the content, then fair enough. Nobody cares though.

And I know that sounds horrible, but it is simply the fact of it.

Lovely post, STDG

Smthchri - there is so, so much more to mumsnet than the name, strapline and logo. Please take the time to look round the boards, and join in some of the discussions.

Laugh with us at some of the awfully embarassing things our parents made us do, or that our children have said in public.

Sympathise with someone who is having a hard time dealing with their child being bullied.

Debate issues that are in the news.

Join some of us in the waiting until the children are in bed, and we can put our feet up and enjoy (even if only metaphorically) wine o'clock.

Share a recipe that you make for your children, that always goes down well - or look at the recipes here and pick one to make for them.

Look at the huge wealth of support and love that is given to bereaved parents, both in the relevant section on here, and tangibly through the 11 blankets that have been knitted by numerous mumsnetters up and down the country, then sewn together by some wonderful women and sent to families who have lost a father, mother or child.

Share some of your experiences of being a parent, and look for advice that might be useful for you. Offer your support to parents who are struggling with the family courts system.

In short, try seeing mumsnet as somewhere that has so many positive things to offer. Why spend your time picking at details to hate, when there is so much to enjoy about the site? Surely the latter is a far less soul-destroying, and a far more positive way in which to spend your time??

smthchri, if as you say you approve of what F4J is trying to achieve but are uncomfortable about their methods, may I suggest you hitch your wagon to Families Need Fathers' horse instead?

FNF can offer you a lot of good support and excellent advice but without the worry of your good name being tarred by the excesses of some of F4J's members.

Oh, op... care to address my point wrt abbreviations and the fact that mn is used by non-parents too? Or does that fuzz the agenda?

This isn't the first thread I've been on recently where I've sensed an f4j influence. As on others I ignored what I thought you were trying to say and only answered the questions that you actually asked. I hope you noticed that there has been no gender hatred on this thread.

As others have said, there would be a lot of relevant advice for you here if you post in the correct topic about your individual situation. Posting about whether the name or logo is sexist isn't really going to help.
I'm sorry you are having a hard time, but I am another who thinks f4j may not be the best route to go down.

Psychological - obv.

You know, I have a friend who has never denied the father of her child access. She is accommodating and helpful despite his refusal to pay any maintenance and lying about his income; despite him lying to the court about her parenting; despite him dragging her through a paychological assessment (for which she had to pay half) which proved she was completely ok; despite him moving miles away and insisting that she do half the driving; despite him wanting to take their son on holiday and not say where they are going; etc, etc.

She is not being well served by the courts. She is experiencing the same treatment that F4J complain of. She is, however, a mum.

I am so sick of hearing that this is about men only. It isn't. The court system is not ideal. Could F4J perhaps focus on that instead of looking for sexism and offence where it doesn't exist?

OP, I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. You'll find a lot of supportive people on here if you want advice and moral support.

F4J? Not so much. They should be lobbying the courts, MPs and so on, not getting their panties in a bunch about a website.

smthchri You have really approached this in the wrong way fella. Im a man who has posted on lots of areas of mumsnet, and have found help support and advice when I have needed it and have offered advice where I feel I have something of value to put in.

If you had approached this forum with a genuine and non hostile thread you would have found just how welcoming it actually is here. The problems you describe would have been looked at with sympathy and care. Chances are you would have received good advice to boot. But with a thread that seems to launch an attack on mumsnet first and then waves a F4J banner as well it puts people off. Please remember the in some cases personal attacks on mumsnet in general and often specific posters as well by F4J members.

Come here with an open mind and you will get good things back in return.

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