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If Fathers for Justice invade again

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Nyac · 07/03/2012 14:57

will they still be welcome?

I'm referring to the thread in the Feminism/Women's Rights section -

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a1419965-Agenda-much

where Justine said:

"an invasion - ie let's go on and tell those mumsnetters why they've got it all wrong - isn't necessarily the same as trolling tbh (ie deliberately misleading/antagonising). I think we ought to be able to be robust enough to be able to debate the issue, with the caveat, of course, that if visitors turn out merely to be here to wind up or hear to spread hatred then they are not welcome"

It appears that as long as they promote their agenda in PARD then no harm done. Is that a fair assessment?

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CagneyNLacey · 10/03/2012 22:07

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CagneyNLacey · 10/03/2012 22:02

Please dont delete that, it's brilliant Grin

NormaStanleyFletcher · 10/03/2012 22:01

Oh my. It is the incoherent poster from the other night. I feel sorry for him. (reports)

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swallowedAfly · 10/03/2012 21:55

it's like me getting a speeding fine and instead of accepting it, taking ownership of my speeding, showing i am taking some driving lessons, turning over a new leaf, paying my fine etc deciding to take on the dvla for being a pack of lying, corrupt, driver abusers who have an agenda to stop women in their mid 30's from driving.

i doubt denial, blame and projection go down well in court either let alone fake stats and lies.

ThisIsExtremelyVeryNotGood · 10/03/2012 21:55

Not just because you love your child Basil, but because you love your partner and respect him/her as an individual and as an equal. I'd hazard a guess that there'd be a lot less relationship breakdown if that were the case.

CagneyNLacey · 10/03/2012 21:55

It says it all really, doesnt it Basil? I am continually surprised at the lack of self awareness displayed by f4j and that sort of group. Utterly oblivious to reality.

BasilRathbone · 10/03/2012 21:54

Well exactly.

Given that the courts normally award contact to abusive fathers, the number of fathers whom the courts haven't awarded contact to in f4j, is statistically extremely problematic.

swallowedAfly · 10/03/2012 21:52

but why should believe his story when the court, cafcass, maybe ss etc didn't? and that is what f4j is asking us to do - to take the word of men who courts have deemed to be abusive and a danger to children that in fact they are good dads and it is the court/gingerbread/mn/all those nasty single mums that are abusive.

i don't find it very persuasive myself.

BasilRathbone · 10/03/2012 21:51

"Otherwise, why should any bloke ever bother"

I think that says a lot.

You bother because you love your child, not because you hope to get cookies as a reward for doing what you should be doing anyway.

runningforthebusinheels · 10/03/2012 21:49

*your story

runningforthebusinheels · 10/03/2012 21:49

Yes, spydiii, I agree with AyeRobot.

If you story on here is true, you have my absolute sympathy. I totally totally agree that children should have contact with both parents, unless a parent is violent/abusive.

I would question your affiliation with F4J though - a highly questionable organisation for all the reasons detailed above.

Why WHY wouldn't you seek the help of a more credible organisation? (Probably one of the ones F4J is targeting!) Why ally yourself with F4J - who are a load of hot air and aggression with no credibility at all. You heard it here from Justine - she's well in with the media. Wink

swallowedAfly · 10/03/2012 21:48

there is protection for them and the child and the relationship. in well over 99% of cases the court orders there should be contact. even with abusers, drug addicts, criminals, etc.

how much more protection could you get?

the best protection is to take an active role in your children's lives from the start - that can be evidenced if a split happens. hence questioning why f4j don't campaign for paternity leave and better flexible working provision etc.

swallowedAfly · 10/03/2012 21:45

i think it should be treated in the same way as a rp guilty of serious neglect would be sgm.

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