If Fathers for Justice invade again

Do they not realise that 1 in 4 children are growing up in lone parent households?

And that they are insulting all those children?

And that if you take income out of the equation, the results for children of lone parent households are exactly the same as for their two parent peers?

So if you want to raise the achievement levels of children of LP's, the best way to do it, is to ensure they don't live in poverty?

And that the payment of maintenance - something they have nothing to say about - would help with that?

They really are incredible aren't they? I mean, I am staggered about them. Really gobsmacked. I knew they were a bunch of misogynists, but really, their cynicism in using their children, is really emotionally shocking even when you know rationally they're a Bad Lot.

so if i was to be deemed to be such an unfit parent that i wasn't even allowed to see my own child under supervision whose fault would that be?

i think the answer is fairly obvious.

yes there may be the odd bad ruling (and that's the odd one out of the odd few who are even refused contact) which means not very many at all for the F4Js lurking who seem to have such difficulty understanding stats and figures however the vast majority (of that tiny number) will have been refused contact for a pretty extreme reason to do with their own behaviour and history.

not because gingerbread or mn made the judge do it but because an independent cafcass report and a court found evidence of the influence being soooooo negative on the child's well being that they ruled no contact at all. which they do very, very rarely so it has to be really, really negative for them to do so.

it's not slander when it's true. it's not slander when a court of law agreed.

PMSL at 'we expose extremism' and 'support of message of love not hate'. Eh? Yeah right guys.

what a pile of tosh. my son is living in a single parent household and he is not a runaway or a delinquent or any of the words they use there. what offensive bs. offensive to mothers and also offensive to men who are an active part of their children's lives despite not living with them because they managed not to do anything that made a court of law deem them unfit to see their own children even in a supervised environment.

Whoever they think will get them the most publicity Frothy

I don't think they know who to blame.

Well, that's the original ad blaming Labour, The Fawcett Society and the NSPCC. Seems MN is the new scapegoat here

It's the NSPCC's fault now?

Its another re-used ad: www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150412046898804&set=a.408005408803.200433.404775273803&type=3&theater

I think surreal just about sums it up.

I can't believe they're going after Mumsnet.

I think they're drinking bile mixed with too much testosterone.

Still can't get over Nadine's 'Never hate your ex more than you love your children, as we say on here.'

I found it really disturbing, actually.

It's truly surreal on that FB page. I've been rubbernecking.

As an aside, WRT to their earlier post asking members to report MN to Stop Hate Crime on the basis of "gender identity", isn't that actually referring to transgender people, NOT hate crime on the basis of sex?

Has anyone seen the bullying and threatening update on the F4J facebook page?

They are threatening to 'target' MN's advertiser Marks and Spencer.

They do an astounding job of showing themselves to be exactly what they are don't they?

Crikey. SAF's comment about "some" fathers has been twisted, screwed and garbled beyond recognition.

SOME is not the same as saying ALL. I think I covered that with my child when he was 2? 3?

Smells

I particularly am intrigued by their claim to support free speech, given that one of their number told them they were taking it too far and they promptly removed his comment. Free speech my arse.

smells

Judging by the latest activity on their fb page, I don't think they especially like Justine saying they're not a credible organisation.

Yesterday shortly before lunch I was in town and I was walking along and in front of me there was a guy staggering along, can of cheap cider in his hand. He couldn't walk 10 paces without stopping to support himself against a wall. Watching F4J is like watching that guy, you can't quite believe what you're seeing, you have to keep looking because you know that he's either going to vomit all over himself or fall in a heap on the floor, and you're embarrassed on his behalf for the spectacle he's making of himself.

I think they've just vomited all over themselves.

it reminds me.....