If Fathers for Justice invade again

Anyone interested in the hypocrisy of F4J, have a look at this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/politics/1432472-Some-Thoughts-on-F4J

Matt O'Connor's "Icecreamist" business PR paid to place an ad on which website..? That's write, Mumsnet! You know, the one that they are now claiming are promoting gender hatred?

This is one of the many reasons that they cannot be taken seriously. They are attention seeking and publicity hungry, that's about it.

I am ignoring today. Head and Wall springs to mind.
BUt the trolling of unrelated threads is pretty fucking tedious

Ignore ignore ignore, if no-one retaliates they will get bored & it will all fizzle out.

Stuff going on behind the scenes at MNHQ I'm sure so let's leave them to it?

there is a thread in site stuff that covers this notonintimidation.

I don't know if there is anything. I'm half thinking of leaving MN for a bit while it simmers down. However, I also realise that way the bullies win. :(

I don't really want to start another thread about F4J so thought it might be better to post here? I have changed my name to do so because of the nature of this issue.

Are MNHQ aware of the fact that several quotes by mumsnetters and a discussion about those mumsnetters are now on one of their FB pages? I know we all have user names which should afford us some privacy, and that we are all responsible for what we write but when people like this are taking posts out of context and attempting to use those posts to prove their agenda it starts to feel a bit intimidating, particularly when they are discussing the jobs those posters do and so on.

I have reported those posts on the facebook page and would encourage everyone to do so but in the meantime, how serious is all this? Is there a serious threat of legal action against members here, or of intimidation and so on? What can we/should we do to safeguard ourselves from malicious intimidation?

smthchri - Didn't you have that question answered several times in the thread you started?

I find it very amusing that there is a dearth of ANY reaction at all in todays press about the 5or6 HUGE protest outside M&S yesterday.

Having spoken to several friends around the country who had gone shopping in M&S yesterday it was a question of "Who?" when the "protest" was mentioned to shop managers & staff.

As a publicity stunt it was more of a soft fart IMHO.

well, misogynists and shit stirrers are not that welcome but obviously you wouldn't be one of those.

I don't have kids and I post here and a lot of regular posters are male. All are welcome.

Loads of men here and more welcomed - it m ay be called "Mumsnet" and possibly when it first started there were more women but now it's a fairly open forum for anyone. There is a whole section called Dadsnet and also Gransnet etc....my exH has even been known to post at times.
Some of the men are very regular posters - off the top of my head niceguy, betadad for example.
Like any other forum there will be extremes of opinion but middle of the road is usual and if it gets extreme people and usually told they are OTT.

There are quite a few lovely men on here.

It's for anyone :) there are men who post here, there are grandparents, foster carers, childminders and nannies, those trying to conceive, those without children... the list is endless.

I have a question. Is this site for Parenets or mums? are only mums parents?

in reponse - during a 16 years marriage my ex-wife and I did not even have a row but when it came to court I was portraid as a violent father and husband!
In respct of the financial side yes it was important to say the facts just to put across the shere injustice of the case
In terms of access to my children I fought for 6 years to get access with no success - i got 22 seperate court orders for access - funny how if any one defies a court order in any other place than a family court they can be fined or imprisioned but it is ok or acceptable in a family court?
My Ex-wfe was so determined not to let me see my children she moved house - I had to employ a private detective to get her new address so that i could start access through the courts again

was it just me who raised her eyebrows at, "new wife" and "new child"?

"the 'I have been subject to a violent husband card'"

what an utterly vile thing to say.

I feel for you pelboy because that is just so wrong - the whole money issue aside there should be proper redress for fathers who want to see their children having that contact repeatedly prevented by a bitter ex.

I don't agree with the tactics of F4J but I do agree that what you have just described is wrong. My Uncle experienced the same and it took until the children were adults and able to make their own arrangements for him to have the contact he had wanted all their childhood.

If it is all about the access why did you feel the need to tell us all of the irrelevant financial details?

no I think you will find that it is not about the money it is about the total injustice of the system which allows mothers to get away with defying the courts - playing the 'I have been subject to a violent husband card' (which was not the case in my case) - it is about not being able to see my children for 10 years

Pelboy. In what way are you holding MN or m&s responsible for that?

I presume that she is entitled to stay in the house with the children as that is where they are used to living. Would you want them uprooted and moved to a different house/area? I thought it was usual to let the ex stay in the marital home until the youngest us 18 and then sell/split the asset.

And the money stuff is completely separate from the access. One should not depend on the other.

all about the money it seems.

ever tried google? fathers for justice facebook?

If the family system was fair open and honest then perhaps there would be no need for Fathers4Justice - In my case the divorce judge seemed fit to award my ex-wife £1.1m to include a £850,000 mortgage free house - what did I get? £15,000 legal bills - as the system states that my ex-wife could get 100% legal aid - £15,000 worth of credit card bills my ex-wife run up duing the legal proceedings - A system which allows in my case my ex-wife to not adhere to 19 of 22 court orders stating that I could see my children - on the 3 occasions that she did allow me contact she knew that cafcas would be present.
Each time that i went back to court the judge simply re-issed a new contact schedule which she didn't adhere to!
A system which,

• does not penailse mothers for not adhering to any court orders
• took every last possession which I worked for in my 16 years marriage
• made me take out a huge mortgage to provide for my new wife and child - a mortgage I wouldn't have needed if the system gave me a mere 10% of the marital assests!
• allows the CSA to take 20% of my monthly salary not taking into account living and travelling expenses, and allowences for my 6 years old child from my new marriage

By all means taget fathers who dont want to be part of their childrens lives - but for god sake dont target fathers who thanks to the laws of the land give mothers £1.1m and still expect them to run two households - and fathers who are desperate to have contact with their children and the law and mothers wont allow

When was the last see mothers fighting for injustice?