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HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 06/01/2012 13:52

Hi MNHQ,

I wonder if you could tell me the reason behind endorsing/promoting a blog regarding a wife who believes her husband, a convicted rapist, is innocent. I was quite shocked to find it in the weekly parenting news e-mail.

There are a lot of women on MN who have been victims of rape and whose attackers will never be brought to justice. It is incredibly hard to get a rape conviction due to all the rape myths, one of which is women lie and the man didn't do it. I feel it is insulting to the victims of rape and could be triggering.

A couple of months ago you were asked to support a campaign to help dispel rape mytha which you looked on favourably here but endorsing this blog seems to fly in the face of that.

Thanks

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JustineMumsnet · 07/01/2012 10:50

@LRDtheFeministDragon

I think what you are saying makes a lot of sense, Justine, and I agree with BOF that it takes guts to apologize for an error like that.

I would say, I'm a bit concerned that the initial reaction to the thread, and the subsequent reactions some hours later, from HQ, were not to pull the blog immediately. So clearly the decision to promote it wasn't something that everyone could see was obviously wrong, and that did surprise me TBH. I am sure it would not happen twice, though, and it's been really good to be on a thread that didn't end up kicking off, despite the subject being so sensitive.

I really hope jently is ok too, and I hope she knows this is not about her.

It does sometimes take a little while to get to the bottom of things and make a decision. Pulling a blog from the network is not an everyday occurrence and in this instance we had to consider the position and feelings of the blogger involved and talk it through with Elinor, the network editor too. It wasn't that people were thinking there's nothing wrong with this, just that not everyone is available instantaneously.

There's a tendency I think to assume that we are all sitting round a table at MNHQ following every move on Talk and caught in paralysis when it comes decisions (or worse are being blind to the bleeding obvious) whereas the truth is we aren't following everything all the time - there's just too much discussion going on - and often we have to start from scratch on an issue which means to carefully read all the posts, do the background checks on posters before acting. On balance I think it's better to take a few hours and get it right.

BasilRathbone · 07/01/2012 10:41

Well quite Aye, that's what I"m saying.

It's not a mistake that could be made by anyone who knows anything about the issues surrounding rape, DV, Stockholm Syndrome etc. The alarm bells on that site would be deafening to anyone who has even a basic knowledge of these issues. At MN however, it didn't even elicit a little peep apparently.

But I suppose it's churlish to expect MNHQ to have a culture where those issues are something people are broadly aware of. After all, other organisations don't and MNHQ as the most intelligent parenting site on the net, can't be held to higher standards than others I suppose. Hmm

AyeRobot · 07/01/2012 00:28

Bit puzzled by the MNHQ responses to this. This isn't a "oops, I put the decimal point in the wrong place" kind of cock-up. This is a "Shit, that didn't even cross my mind" kind of cock-up.

Luckily, MN posters have provided lots of material on the boards to facilitate any additional training needs.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 06/01/2012 23:56

I think what you are saying makes a lot of sense, Justine, and I agree with BOF that it takes guts to apologize for an error like that.

I would say, I'm a bit concerned that the initial reaction to the thread, and the subsequent reactions some hours later, from HQ, were not to pull the blog immediately. So clearly the decision to promote it wasn't something that everyone could see was obviously wrong, and that did surprise me TBH. I am sure it would not happen twice, though, and it's been really good to be on a thread that didn't end up kicking off, despite the subject being so sensitive.

I really hope jently is ok too, and I hope she knows this is not about her.

thunderboltsandlightning · 06/01/2012 23:50

Whoever took the decision to promote the blog does need to educate themselves about rape and its treatment in the criminal justice system in this country (most rapists get away with their crimes). They also need to understand how rapists will lie, lie and lie again about their crimes, against all evidence, so protestations of innocence are highly unlikely to be truthful.

I also hope Jently is OK, and not put off posting at Mumsnet, similarly anybody else who was affected by this. It's a very difficult subject.

JustineMumsnet · 06/01/2012 23:45

@BeerTricksP0tter

I don't think it's an isolated mistake. I think it's part of the whole inexorable slide towards Take-a-break-ified commercialism.

Jently and anyone affected by the issues raised have been caught in the crossfire. Just not good enough imo.

Well it's a shame you feel that way and I'm not quite sure how I can change your mind other than to say that the Bloggers' network is certainly not a particularly commercial venture (that's not to say we wouldn't like it to be one day but it's quite hard to see how at this point) and as you probably know Mumsnet has been a labour of love rather than a commercial success for most of its short life. But we are certainly not infallible or immuned to poor decisions. I'm not sure the Take-a-break charge is fair, though. I'm not sure I've ever even read a copy of Take a break...

LeBOF · 06/01/2012 23:35

I'm impressed by the apology- it takes guts to hold your hands up and admit a mistake has been made.

JustineMumsnet · 06/01/2012 23:34

@IslaDoit

But it's completely against the MN ethos. I think that's why there was so much shock and such a grovelling apology from Justine (sorry Justine but tbf you did need to grovel a bit).

Yes, quite. Hence the grovelling apology. [grovel, grovel]

JustineMumsnet · 06/01/2012 23:33

@BasilRathbone

Sorry Isla but I think the ethos thing hasn't been dealt with and needs to be. It's not just about procedures, it's ethos too. I just wanted to flag it up, because it hadn't been acknowledged. But as I've flagged it, I'll shut up now, I promise. Smile

I too, hope that the blogger gets the support she needs. That's where MN is invaluable and I hope she name changes and continues to post and get support here.

I don't accept that it's about ethos at all really. This was a mistake. Human error. Poor judgement. It can happen.

It has highlighted that we need to tighten up on editorial checks and balances with regard to the Bloggers Network too. I can't promise something like this won't ever happen again because mistakes do occur particularly when folks are pressed and busy, as we often are, but it's not because of the ethos - the ethos is as it always was - we are here to make parents' lives easier and we are anything but cavalier about these kind of issues, honest.

IslaDoit · 06/01/2012 23:28

But it's completely against the MN ethos. I think that's why there was so much shock and such a grovelling apology from Justine (sorry Justine but tbf you did need to grovel a bit).

BasilRathbone · 06/01/2012 23:22

Sorry Isla but I think the ethos thing hasn't been dealt with and needs to be. It's not just about procedures, it's ethos too. I just wanted to flag it up, because it hadn't been acknowledged. But as I've flagged it, I'll shut up now, I promise. Smile

I too, hope that the blogger gets the support she needs. That's where MN is invaluable and I hope she name changes and continues to post and get support here.

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LeBOF · 06/01/2012 23:14

Well, if the biscuit-munchers on the Bloggers' Network team are encouraged to THINK before they accept and promote blogs, some good will have been done.

I feel sorry for the blogger, and I hope that she eventually finds the support she needs, which mumsnet is so good at providing, to actually get out of this awful situation and start to come to terms with reality.

IslaDoit · 06/01/2012 23:09

There'll be one poor, mortified MNHQer who made a mistake. I trust MNHQ to deal with it properly. They don't get it wrong often and yes this was a clanger but I think we should stop raking over it now. No good can come of it.

BasilRathbone · 06/01/2012 22:57
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How can this have got through? Did no one look at it and think "hmm, perhaps this needs a second look"?

I don't think it's just a procedure issue tbh. I think it's an ethos one. Even without knowing the details of the rape case, I think the very fact that it's a blog by someone insisting her DH is innocent of rape, when only 6% of reported rapists get a guilty conviction, really ought to have rang alarm bells in anyone who works at Mumsnet. The fact that it rang no bells at all and no one thought it was worthy of further probing just to check out that it was a good idea to run it, speaks volumes.

Sad

Sorry. I know htat's negative and I do acknowledge Justine's positive response, but I've been sitting on my hands all evening about this one. I am so sad that this slipped through.

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/01/2012 22:56

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flippinada · 06/01/2012 22:52

I agree that the thread should not be pulled.

I have refrained from posting before but would like to say thanks to everyone on here who has posted so eloquently and thoughtfully on this extremely distressing subject.

Special nod to AmoryCohetes.

And thank you to Justine as well.

Prolesworth · 06/01/2012 22:52

I hope you're OK jentlydoesit if you're still reading this. I realise this thread must've been difficult for you and hope you can understand why people have made the objections they have.

HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 06/01/2012 22:52

Thank you very much Helen and Justine. Very much appreciated.

Thanks and Wine

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AnyFucker · 06/01/2012 22:51

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thunderboltsandlightning · 06/01/2012 22:51

Agree with TBE.

And thanks for breaking into your evening Justine to deal with this.

AnyFucker · 06/01/2012 22:51

Please keep the thread

We all need to see how MNHQ can respond to their members, when it really matters

Individual posts may be better gone, but no the thread