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oldqueenie · 2011-11-08T22:56:30+00:00

are we allowed to carry on discussing this?

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 10/11/2011 17:07

@BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability

at "like talking to a child" Your behaviour is stupid not You are stupid

Simple :)

Exactly. Though of course we are all perfectly reasonable and wonderfully civilised adults engaging in intelligent debate

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 10/11/2011 17:06

(note: does not endorse calling children stupid often)

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 10/11/2011 17:05

@Maryz

I have been out all afternoon (bloody rl

) and I missed Hully's thread.

I would like to point out that using Helen's logic my "comments like that make you sound like a pompous ass" post should definitely NOT be deleted.

Can we presume that:

"you sound like a right bitch"

"my sister would say that only right bitches do (whatever the poster has done)"

"if someone said that to me I would know they were a bitch"

"in my opinion it is a very bitchy thing to do"

are all ok .

I'm going to think out my insults very carefully in the future .

Nope. See my previous post about people trying to get round the no personal attacks rule by rearranging words and putting "opinion" in.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 10/11/2011 17:05

No Maryz it depends on the sensitivity of the prefects.

HedgeHop - a lot of people feel the same way. Unfortunately those with louder voices 'won' :(

Maryz · 10/11/2011 17:05

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BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 10/11/2011 17:05

at "like talking to a child"
Your behaviour is stupid
not
You are stupid

Simple :)

TheRhubarb · 10/11/2011 17:04

Fuck off is offensive. If you would not tell a person on the street to fuck off then you should not do so here.

Do unto others what you would like done unto yourself. I would not like to be told to fuck off unless I knew it was someone just taking the piss. In a debate, being told to fuck off is the same as being told to shut up and piss off.

Pinot · 10/11/2011 17:04

Cod were you lurking just so you could post a funny at the perfect time?

Damn yo'good.

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 10/11/2011 17:04

@Rhubarb0

I get it, am I the only one?

Look, it's simple. It's like saying to a child "I don't like the way you have answered me when I asked you to tidy your room" rather than "You ALWAYS say no to everything I say! You are impossible!"

If you call a person an idiot then you are implying that everything about that person is idiotic, which is offensive. If you say that the person's opinion is idiotic that what you are saying, essentially, is that the person's opinion on that topic is idiotic. You are not saying that all their opinions are that way or that the person itself is an idiot.

It makes it much less offensive as you are focusing on their opinion or behaviour rather than on them as a person.

Fucking hell - who wants to fuck the giblets off a duck eh?

With you all the way, Rhubarb, but then lost you at the giblets

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 10/11/2011 17:03

@BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability

"t'would depend on the context of the post/thread"

So only if MN agreed that the person you were talking to was being stoopid?

ha ha! And no.

Calling someone stupid is a personal attack, even if they ARE stupid.

Calling someone's opinion stupid isn't a personal attack unless it's obvious the poster is trying to get around the 'no personal attacks' by putting "opinion" in their post.

Generally speaking, people who genuinely think someone else's opinion is stupid would say "because X or Y" and engage in the debate. Someone who was clearly just out to provoke/attack might post "Your opinion is stupid" and nothing else.

TheRhubarb · 10/11/2011 17:02

I get it, am I the only one?

Look, it's simple. It's like saying to a child "I don't like the way you have answered me when I asked you to tidy your room" rather than "You ALWAYS say no to everything I say! You are impossible!"

If you call a person an idiot then you are implying that everything about that person is idiotic, which is offensive. If you say that the person's opinion is idiotic that what you are saying, essentially, is that the person's opinion on that topic is idiotic. You are not saying that all their opinions are that way or that the person itself is an idiot.

It makes it much less offensive as you are focusing on their opinion or behaviour rather than on them as a person.

Fucking hell - who wants to fuck the giblets off a duck eh?

Maryz · 10/11/2011 17:02

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Pinot · 10/11/2011 17:02

I stole the Jefferies.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 10/11/2011 17:01

Rhubarb - did you read GalaxyWeavers post? She does go around reporting posts and she isn't the only one.

GalaxyWeaver - why do you feel the need to report posts that aren't aimed at you? It annoys me when people report posts that are aimed at me. I'm an adult, I can decide if I am offended or not, it's not anyone else's business. (I did thank the people on the thread where someone said something 'offensive' to me as they did it with good intent, but I was happy to let it stay and asked MNHQ to leave it there (which they did)). Why do you feel the need to interfere in an exchange between other posters?

HelenMumsnet - why is 'Fuck Off' a personal attack? It's an instruction.

HelenMumsnet - Fuck off
HelenMumsnet - Pour the wine

It is not attacking you, it is not attacking anything personal about you.

Where do you stand on 'Don't be an idiot'?

HedgeHop · 10/11/2011 17:01

I'm new (six months). I learnt a lot from DogBestFriend, more than from anyone else. I'm sorry she's gone.

Maryz · 10/11/2011 17:01

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Maryz · 10/11/2011 17:00

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MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 10/11/2011 16:59

@GalaxyWeaver

i always report if i think someones being offensive or rude or making personal attacks.. i think its then up to MNHQ to decide if it warrants a ban or if i've flagged a few on a thread, if the thread needs addressing as a whole.

There is no point self-policing a forum if no-one bothers and then when someone does, and a poster ends up getting banned, whining about it.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 10/11/2011 16:59

"t'would depend on the context of the post/thread"

So only if MN agreed that the person you were talking to was being stoopid?

Hullygully · 10/11/2011 16:58

I always like Paggy's:

I have a friend who thinks like that. She is an absolute cunt.

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 10/11/2011 16:57

@BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability

HelenMN your opinion is idiotic...?

That wouldn't be a personal attack as it stands - because it's saying the opinion the poster holds is idiotic, not that the poster is an idiot.

But t'would depend on the context of the post/thread.

ItsonlymeMrsDB · 10/11/2011 16:55

Beyond

Wouldn't it have to be

I think your opinion is idiotic, otherwise you are making it personal ?

I agree with Rhubarb

But sometimes you get so riled you forget all reasoning.

MissPenteuth · 10/11/2011 16:51

No longer "millions of Jefferies"

Well my world just fell apart.

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 10/11/2011 16:49

@SeeLyon

dont be so hard on yourself Helen

Rofl

Hullygully · 10/11/2011 16:45

at Rhubs. You'll never keep it up.