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Original poster

dear mn hq, please could something be done about the anti sn posts on mn

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2shoes · 10/09/2011 23:45

as I know you are aware(I have the emails) people from the sn community have left this week, due to the vile things that have been said to the/or about SN.
isn't it time that mn hq took some steps to eradicate this, as you do with trolls? surely disablist/anti sn/ personal attacks should be deleted and something done about the posters.
or do we just keep loosing well informed, SN educated people from mn.
(no I can't link to a thread as there has been too many)

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HelenMumsnet · 11/09/2011 15:50

@Empjusa

"If we believe people to be trolling, Empusa, we will ban them. Whether they post personal attacks or not."

I'm sorry Helen, I'm a little sceptical.

What is the MN definition of troll? Because, as far as I am aware, it is possible to post trolling comments without being a troll. (Which on MN the unofficial definition of a troll seems to be "someone pretending to be someone else")

We define a troll here "someone who poses as someone else in order to stir up trouble, fulfil their own perverted agenda, or just for the hell of it"

Original poster
2shoes · 11/09/2011 15:49

yes the troll attack on me is still there.
also although I started this thread mn hq have not once spoken to me...
they have deleted posts from people like Noddyholder who were only defending/supporting the sn community, yet left the troll posts there.
bye

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HelenMumsnet · 11/09/2011 15:48

@2shoes

so have i got this right mn hq are going through the threads mentioned and deleted the attacks on the anti sn posters? but leaving the anti sn posts...... is that right?

No, that's not right.
Glitter's thread is still being gone through, afaik - we would not leave a disablist post and delete a personal attack. Both should be deleted.

LineRunner · 11/09/2011 15:48

Would you all also be good enough to look at the thread started by Glitterz in AIBU 'to think that personal circumstances...'.

Thanks.

Peachy · 11/09/2011 15:42

Without even going near those threads again (not a hope) 2shoes I damn well hope not but does sound as if.

herbietea · 11/09/2011 15:42

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slightlymad72 · 11/09/2011 15:42

Just read Gitters thread, well up to page seven then skipped to the end. Why does it feel as though I am wading through some Tory Propaganda Bullshit?

Original poster
2shoes · 11/09/2011 15:38

so have i got this right
mn hq are going through the threads mentioned and deleted the attacks on the anti sn posters?
but leaving the anti sn posts......
is that right?

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5inthebed · 11/09/2011 15:32

Oh I get that they were personal attacks, but the person getting attacked is well deserving as they are being big huge twats. . I could understand if you deleted the ones making stupid bigotted comments about SN, but you're not.

I can't think properly to make proper posh long sentences that make more sense, but I had too much to drink last night and my head is fuzzy.

Empjusa · 11/09/2011 15:31

"If we believe people to be trolling, Empusa, we will ban them. Whether they post personal attacks or not."

I'm sorry Helen, I'm a little sceptical.

What is the MN definition of troll? Because, as far as I am aware, it is possible to post trolling comments without being a troll. (Which on MN the unofficial definition of a troll seems to be "someone pretending to be someone else")

Peachy · 11/09/2011 15:30

Thank you.

It would definitely aid those of us who do try to educate of we could link to something suitable on MN without having to type it all from scratch.

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HelenMumsnet · 11/09/2011 15:27

@Peachy

The glossary in Sn is fine but very dictionary definition IYKWIM; I think a small piece written by someone living with the disorder in their family would be better.

OK, we'll definitely suggest it, Peachy.

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HelenMumsnet · 11/09/2011 15:27

@Empjusa

"I can only assume that these posts (Herbie's included) were either personal attacks or accusing someone of being a troll. "

The problem with this is that the trolls (and I use the standard internet definition of, "someone posting in order to offend/cause controversy") know that as long as they don't say anything that can be described as a "personal attack" then their posts will stand, and continue to do the damage they intended.

All it takes is careful phrasing and they've beaten your system.

Whereas the posters who aren't stopping to wonder how they can trick you are getting deleted.

That seems a little unbalanced to me.

If we believe people to be trolling, Empusa, we will ban them. Whether they post personal attacks or not.

Peachy · 11/09/2011 15:23

Good point Emp.

Peachy · 11/09/2011 15:22

The glossary in Sn is fine but very dictionary definition IYKWIM; I think a small piece written by someone living with the disorder in their family would be better.

CardyMow · 11/09/2011 15:20

I'm obviously not offensive enough...

Empjusa · 11/09/2011 15:20

"I can only assume that these posts (Herbie's included) were either personal attacks or accusing someone of being a troll. "

The problem with this is that the trolls (and I use the standard internet definition of, "someone posting in order to offend/cause controversy") know that as long as they don't say anything that can be described as a "personal attack" then their posts will stand, and continue to do the damage they intended.

All it takes is careful phrasing and they've beaten your system.

Whereas the posters who aren't stopping to wonder how they can trick you are getting deleted.

That seems a little unbalanced to me.

herbietea · 11/09/2011 15:19

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tethersend · 11/09/2011 15:17

Thanks Helen

tethersend · 11/09/2011 15:16
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HelenMumsnet · 11/09/2011 15:16

@Peachy

So MNHW what about something on here explaining different diagnoses and the challenges that can be a result (eg queing / rude comments from a children with ASD, need for extra sapce for a car with a ramp for a child using a chair etc) written by the aprents but in a proper informed style that you could link to or we could when education is needed?

That's a good idea, Peachy. If we haven't already got it covered in our SN content area, we'll definitely suggest it to the editorial team.

tethersend · 11/09/2011 15:16
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2shoes · 11/09/2011 15:16

i am beyond shocked, mn hq have delete the posts by the supportive posters on glitters thread, yet left the vile attacks WT FLYING FUCK
do they not read the threads at all?????
shows this is pointless. no one will support us as they will be deleted [angry[angryAngry

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Pagwatch · 11/09/2011 15:15
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HelenMumsnet · 11/09/2011 15:14

@5inthebed

I agree with Herbie on this one, why delete their posts but not the ones that were causing all the offence?

I can only assume that these posts (Herbie's included) were either personal attacks or accusing someone of being a troll.

But Herbie - if you report it to us, we'd be happy to check and come back to you personally with an explanation.