mn hq, is it really wise to have topics that are deamed so agressive/scary that most members don't want to post there?

Oh FFS Sassy are you referring to the Lennox thread?

Nothing is kicking off and I have yet to see anything offensive being posted

Reviving this thread to point out to MNHQ how barking mad but also offensive the doghouse is getting once again. Really.

Don't see the cat or fish owners behaving like this do we?

HQ, reckon you need to shut the kennel, once and for all.

Ah you lot are making me laugh, thanks for cheering me up! :)

DooinMeCleanin

Thanks for clearing that up. Your sentence "I would rehome both my children and my dogs over my dead body." gave the impression that, well....you'd rehome your dogs over your dead body. That doesn't quite correlate with "then I would rehome the dog of my own free will,"

LoopyLoopsPussInBoots I'd say to you, that for the police to ask me to eat my mother's liver would be, well, illegal. So I'm not too worried about that one. But thanks for showing your concern

Me, naturlich!

Are you desperately trying for a "you're a cunt" type outburst from an animal lover? You won't get it from me, but I will let you know that your language is that of a teenage German exchange student. Who says 'super awesome'?

Weapons-grade evasion. Matricide. Paranoid persecutory fantasies. Straw man arguments. This is super awesome. It could totally rewrite Chapter V of the ICD-10.

Oh god, I've eaten too much mental, sorry.

Why would social services need to do that? If my dog was an immediate danger to my child in a way that could not be resolved suitably and safely for both child and dog then I would rehome the dog of my own free will, but I would take the time and care to do it responsibly and the dogs well being would be of utmost importance.

As I said it does not have to be an either or choice, both dogs and children can be

I'd rank people above animals in importance - I still wouldn't sell one of my pets on gumtree or the like if my circumstances changed...what have the two got to do with each other?

I lurk and occasionally post in the doghouse, Id go there for advice.

Well, isn't this an interesting hypothetical philosophical debate?

Lougle- one for you: What would you do if the police told you they would lock you up for life if you didn't eat your mum's liver? What? Never going to happen? Irrelevant to the discussion you say?

"I would rehome both my children and my dogs over my dead body.

Why does it matter which is more important? Surely as intelligent capable human beings we are able to ensure that both get proper care without endangering the other?"

Alright, putting it another way:

People who have come to the attention of Social Services, and refuse to remove their children from a source of danger (ie. child abuse, domestic violence, known paedophiles, etc.) have their children removed from them.

Would you stand by your conviction, if Social Services said to you: Get rid of the dog, or we will take your children?

My last sentence wasn't aimed at you by the way, Bruxeur. No such delusions.

Heh. This is technically known as "evasion", and is very interesting.

*strokes tiny beard

I would rehome both my children and my dogs over my dead body.

Why does it matter which is more important? Surely as intelligent capable human beings we are able to ensure that both get proper care without endangering the other?

Of course I see the difference. I'm simply trying to point out that adoption of a child through appropriate agencies is akin to dog rescue, whereas selling puppies, if we're using the child comparison, can only be compared to selling kids. It's not about thinking animals are equal to humans, it's about seeing that all sentient beings, especially those we have chosen to care for, should be treated with respect and care. That means going through the proper channels when we can no longer care for them.
I'm frankly bemused that some posters, who I thought were intelligent, can't grasp that.

Rank them. Order of importance to you. Order of priority in the situation you imply. Do it now, don't think about it.

*emails editor of JAPA

at how this thread is turning out.

Yes there is a difference between children and animals, but we don't have to choose which to care for responsibly do we?

We can ensure to the best of our ability that both children and dogs are cared for properly and humanly and adopted safely if needs be. It's not an either or choice.

Loopy, do you see the difference between human children and animals?

Honest question, I reckon I could get a paper out of this.

Lougle: "Who would dream about being so aggressive to a woman who was considering placing their child for adoption because they didn't feel they could cope with their pregnancy/baby?"

Not me, but I would if she were to place an ad on Gumtree to exchange her kids for cash. Do you see the difference?

I really need to be off now. I have spent far too long on this thread and I am at risk of neglecting my own dogs and my sister's.

Woof

DooIn I am with you all the way btw. I agree completely with your post and you have said what I am thinking in a much better way than I did :)